Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread 16
Hello.

 For those of you that dislike the new wiki look, you can revert it by going 
 to:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences
 
 Click on 'Appearance', and then select 'MonoBook' and save...

Thank you for that. Looks a lot more normal now.

Just being evil-minded and petty; I wonder if this hint should be added
(discretely) to, say, the Australian Tagging Guidelines. Might as well
keep up the image of them ignorant Southern Hemisphere hicks wot
doesn't like to toe the line?

Incidentally, is it just me, or has there been a whole lot more
fiddling with the wiki; and a whole lot less mapping data entry since
the license cold war broke out? In a perverse moment yesterday I did a
bit of a local test to find out the impact of removing nodes touched by
people known to be anti-ODbL, and discovered that (for example) Ballina
nearly completely disappears if you, me and Rosscoe's edits were
removed, and renders Lismore more or less completely dependent upon
Brenton (Biogenesis_). Amazing how fragile some areas are.

Back to the wiki. Have you also noticed a quiet change in that the
prompt regarding the licence change which appeared on every page for the
last few months is now gone?

Bad Tim.

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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 07:54, 16 towal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just being evil-minded and petty; I wonder if this hint should be added
 (discretely) to, say, the Australian Tagging Guidelines. Might as well
 keep up the image of them ignorant Southern Hemisphere hicks wot
 doesn't like to toe the line?

I need to get a shirt printed with that on it!

 Incidentally, is it just me, or has there been a whole lot more
 fiddling with the wiki; and a whole lot less mapping data entry since
 the license cold war broke out? In a perverse moment yesterday I did a
 bit of a local test to find out the impact of removing nodes touched by
 people known to be anti-ODbL, and discovered that (for example) Ballina
 nearly completely disappears if you, me and Rosscoe's edits were
 removed, and renders Lismore more or less completely dependent upon
 Brenton (Biogenesis_). Amazing how fragile some areas are.

That's not an acurate way to view it, to do it properly you'd have to
filter through the entire change set history until you hit an editor
you want to exclude, rather than the last person to make a change.

Also I'm pretty sure that I'm not anti-ODBL, but I am anti-CT and anti-DBCL...

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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 August 2010 23:01, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10 August 2010 07:54, 16 towal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just being evil-minded and petty; I wonder if this hint should be added
 (discretely) to, say, the Australian Tagging Guidelines. Might as well
 keep up the image of them ignorant Southern Hemisphere hicks wot
 doesn't like to toe the line?

 I need to get a shirt printed with that on it!


I'm the evil bastard who upgraded the wiki + changed the default skin.
I'm a proud new South African. (*insert rugby comment here*)
There was a problem until today with the wiki edit page, it should now be fixed.

I removed the wiki 'license change' banner when I upgrade the install
of MediaWiki, nothing sinister. I've just re-added the banner now.

PS: Being from the Southern Hemisphere, when is someone going to make
a correct side up OSM map?

Regards
 Grant
 Part of the OSM sysadmin team.

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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 07:54 +1000, 16 wrote:

 ... In a perverse moment yesterday I did a bit of a local test to find
  out the impact of removing nodes touched by people known to be
  anti-ODbL, and discovered that (for example) Ballina nearly completely
  disappears if you, me and Rosscoe's edits were removed, and renders
  Lismore more or less completely dependent upon Brenton (Biogenesis_).
  Amazing how fragile some areas are.

As John pointed out, you need to check the entire history, not just the
last editor.  As John recently ran a script which modified every single
residential street in the country (without a maxspeed limit set), this
means if you exclude the streets with his name attached, youd be wiping
out almost every residential street, even though someone else might have
maintained the area for years before the change was made.

Also, there are many mappers around, just because one or two people
didnt map an area, doesnt mean it wouldnt be mapped.  If a mapper sees
an area filled in, they wont work so closely on that area, but if those
2 or 3 users you mentioned, hadnt mapped the area they did, someone else
would have.

David


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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 09:34, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
 Also, there are many mappers around, just because one or two people
 didnt map an area, doesnt mean it wouldnt be mapped.  If a mapper sees
 an area filled in, they wont work so closely on that area, but if those
 2 or 3 users you mentioned, hadnt mapped the area they did, someone else
 would have.

Not in regional and rural areas, until Nearmap coverage most of
Albury/Woodonga were unmapped, same with Bendigo and so on...

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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Grant Slater wrote:
 PS: Being from the Southern Hemisphere, when is someone going to make
 a correct side up OSM map?

With the new southern hemisphere fork, except i need to keep all of Brazil in, 
so the northern boundary may be rubbery

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Re: [talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 07:54 +1000, 16 wrote:


Also, there are many mappers around, just because one or two people
didnt map an area, doesnt mean it wouldnt be mapped.  If a mapper sees
an area filled in, they wont work so closely on that area, but if those
2 or 3 users you mentioned, hadnt mapped the area they did, someone else
would have.


that is very dependent on where you are
There is very little overlap and adjusting of my stuff in western NSW
I appreciate that closer to the coast that could be very true.

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[talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
For those of you that dislike the new wiki look, you can revert it by going to:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences

Click on 'Appearance', and then select 'MonoBook' and save...

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