Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation
On 2013-08-20 12:30, Ian Sergeant wrote: > On 20 August 2013 18:29, Ross Scanlon wrote: > >> Did they confirm with Geoscience that the "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 >> Australia" is compatible with ODBL? >> >> This is one of the reservations that some of us had with changing to ODBL. > > Maybe. The issue for both licences is just getting the attribution right. I > think you've taken the view that just an attribution in the data is > sufficient, and nothing on the map itself? I think it is best in both cases > just to agree with the data owner what constitutes reasonable attribution for > the medium, and that we can deliver it. Ref CC-BY-SA3 - it seems to be fairly explicit on these pages: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission I think the attribution should not go on the source tags of the nodes/ways, but instead on the changeset and the wiki. Chris ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation
On 20 August 2013 18:29, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Did they confirm with Geoscience that the "Creative Commons Attribution > 3.0 Australia" is compatible with ODBL? > > This is one of the reservations that some of us had with changing to ODBL. > > Maybe. The issue for both licences is just getting the attribution right. I think you've taken the view that just an attribution in the data is sufficient, and nothing on the map itself? I think it is best in both cases just to agree with the data owner what constitutes reasonable attribution for the medium, and that we can deliver it. Also you will find it's not that easy. It takes a significant amount of > time and effort to include this data from the downloaded shapefiles. They > can not just be imported to osm. > > Well, shapefiles or otherwise there are lots of issues in a bulk import. If the data is available, then making it available to trace or very selectively import could be useful. I don't think we want to go down the path of another significant data load with poor quality data with lots of fixme tags. I'm yet to see anything on the GA that I think would make an appropriate bulk import to OSM, not that there isn't lots of good stuff there. Of more interest are some of the city detail info that we've discussed previously on this list, some of which is hard to obtain by survey. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation
Did they confirm with Geoscience that the "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia" is compatible with ODBL? This is one of the reservations that some of us had with changing to ODBL. Also you will find it's not that easy. It takes a significant amount of time and effort to include this data from the downloaded shapefiles. They can not just be imported to osm. Cheers Ross On 19/08/13 19:19, Brett Russell wrote: Hi I have been working on OSM maps for bushwalking and this has generated a fair bit of interest. A few people have taken up mapping and one person approached me on lifting rivers and streams data from the 1:250,000 publicly available data. My response was no as it is likely copyrighted and OSM requires no restriction be placed on the data. Not to be defeated he wrote to A/g Manager, Information & Product Management Policy Unit Information Management Corporate Services | GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA and received this reply. "Thank you for your email enquiry in regards to copyright and Creative Commons. The material available as a free download under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia licence is still under copyright. We are releasing many of our products under the CC-BY licence which means that you may share (copy, distribute and transmit the work), remix and make adaption or even make commercial use of the work. The only condition for using the product under this licence is that you must attribute Geoscience Australia. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/deed.en If you have any further questions or would like me to send you the attribution statement we require please let me know. Regards" Given that this data (rough as it might be) might be available what is the OSM community thoughts on an Australia wide approach? Basically has anyone been down this road. I would imagine the challenge would be to identify what data is available under what license. Anyway your thoughts please. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation
CC-BY-A is fine to my knowledge - you can fulfill the attribution requirements with an appropriate attribution in the wiki. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_government_public_information_datasets http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Make_sure_data_license_is_OK I'd go back and go one further and ensure we have explicit permission (ie: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission), which seems likely to be granted, and then knock yourself out :) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Brett Russell wrote: > Hi > > I have been working on OSM maps for bushwalking and this has generated a > fair bit of interest. A few people have taken up mapping and one person > approached me on lifting rivers and streams data from the 1:250,000 > publicly available data. My response was no as it is likely copyrighted > and OSM requires no restriction be placed on the data. Not to be defeated > he wrote to A/g Manager, Information & Product Management Policy Unit > Information Management Corporate Services | GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA and > received this reply. > > "Thank you for your email enquiry in regards to copyright and Creative > Commons. The material available as a free download under a Creative Commons > Attribution 3.0 Australia licence is still under copyright. We are > releasing many of our products under the CC-BY licence which means that you > may share (copy, distribute and transmit the work), remix and make adaption > or even make commercial use of the work. The only condition for using the > product under this licence is that you must attribute Geoscience Australia. > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/deed.en > > If you have any further questions or would like me to send you the > attribution statement we require please let me know. > > Regards" > > Given that this data (rough as it might be) might be available what is the > OSM community thoughts on an Australia wide approach? Basically has anyone > been down this road. I would imagine the challenge would be to identify > what data is available under what license. > > Anyway your thoughts please. > > Cheers > > Brett > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation
Hi I have been working on OSM maps for bushwalking and this has generated a fair bit of interest. A few people have taken up mapping and one person approached me on lifting rivers and streams data from the 1:250,000 publicly available data. My response was no as it is likely copyrighted and OSM requires no restriction be placed on the data. Not to be defeated he wrote to A/g Manager, Information & Product Management Policy Unit Information Management Corporate Services | GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA and received this reply. "Thank you for your email enquiry in regards to copyright and Creative Commons. The material available as a free download under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia licence is still under copyright. We are releasing many of our products under the CC-BY licence which means that you may share (copy, distribute and transmit the work), remix and make adaption or even make commercial use of the work. The only condition for using the product under this licence is that you must attribute Geoscience Australia. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/deed.en If you have any further questions or would like me to send you the attribution statement we require please let me know. Regards" Given that this data (rough as it might be) might be available what is the OSM community thoughts on an Australia wide approach? Basically has anyone been down this road. I would imagine the challenge would be to identify what data is available under what license. Anyway your thoughts please. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
