Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 07:40, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

>
>
> If I am ever in doubt I will simply post details to a notes field but
> there is also the ref: tag that might be appropriate.
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref
>

Thanks, Phil!

Yep, ref makes sense.

I've just had that particular phone, & also another one, pop back up, so
I've changed them both to ref:phone="existing number"

Hopefully that works?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Morning all & Happy New Year! :-)

After I'd posted, I thought that I should have added some more details.

The number is listed against a public telephone, but it's not a phone
number as such, it's an identification number for that phone. All PTs do
also have a "real" phone number allocated, but they aren't displayed on the
phone (although I believe that may be changing?), both to prevent crime
(people can't ring their local drug dealer who set's up beside the phone
box - yes, seriously!) & also to prevent people placing reverse-charge
calls to a PT.

So should that number even be shown, because, as Warin said, if you ring
it, your call won't go anywhere?

If it should be there, what format should it be in?

Or should it be tagged as something else apart from phone=?

The wiki,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Phone_numbers_of_telephone_boxes
,
isn't much help :-(

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Warin]

On 31/12/19 17:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Working through it, & just spotted a phone box with a number listed 
against it: 03941906X2
Think you'll find ringing that number will not get you that phone box . 
X2.. :)



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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Christopher Barham]

Google libphonenumber code library could be useful to help Normalise the number 
- will need extra code to insert country code etc, some sort of state machine 
maybe ?

https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/README.md

Chas




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> On 31 Dec 2019, at 07:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Working through it, & just spotted a phone box with a number listed against 
> it: 03941906X2
> 
> Would that need to be a +61 3 or a phone:AU?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Working through it, & just spotted a phone box with a number listed against
it: 03941906X2

Would that need to be a +61 3 or a phone:AU?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[David Wales]

For future reference, (e.g. if we want to do this in NSW), I've pieced
together half of what would be needed to automate this process...

The following Overpass query will allow one to export all the phone
numbers from Victoria to JOSM. You can then filter to select just those
which don't start with '+61'.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/PlR

The hard part of course is writing some code to do something interesting
with these numbers.
But I'm confident that by the time I figure that out, the MapRoulette
task will be finished!

I'll just keep working at the MapRoulette...

On 30/12/19 8:45 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:
> Hi Warin, 
>
> Near the borders there are a few anomalies so unless the area codes
> are listed I just leave them
>
> Cheers - Phil, 
> On the road with his iPad 
>
>> On 30 Dec 2019, at 8:04 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> On 30/12/19 08:39, David Wales wrote:
>>> My thought was that processing a subset of the formats could deal
>>> with a good chunk of the numbers, and the rest could be left for
>>> MapRoulette.
>>>
>>> For example, some code could look at every number in Victoria,
>> Caution .. are you certain that everywhere in Victoria use the same
>> area code? It is not the case in some states.
>> I'd check area codes in the west of the state that might use central
>> australian time.
>>
>>> remove all the spaces and special symbols and check if it is 10
>>> digits long, with the first two being '03'. In that case, perform
>>> the transformation '03' -> '+61 3  '.
>>>
>>> The other cases could be left for MapRoulette.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I don't think I have time at the moment to put this
>>> together myself. :(
>>>
>>> On 29/12/19 9:44 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> It may be for someone more skilled than me 😊however there are lots
>>>> of combinations that need to be taken into account
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Those with no area codes
>>>>
>>>> Those with area codes in ()
>>>>
>>>> Those with area codes but no international code
>>>>
>>>> Those with international code but no + sign at the start
>>>>
>>>> Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces
>>>>
>>>> Grouping of numbers +61 x  
>>>>
>>>> 1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU
>>>>
>>>> Those without enough numbers
>>>>
>>>> Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> …to mention just a few that I have found…
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Cheers – Phil
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:*David Wales 
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
>>>> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I did a few.
>>>>
>>>> Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> David Wales
>>>>
>>>> On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt >>> <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing
>>>> entertainment for an hour or two.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> It is certainly that! :-)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> WA and Tasmania already completed
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> As is Qld :-)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Graeme
>>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Warin, 

Near the borders there are a few anomalies so unless the area codes are listed 
I just leave them

Cheers - Phil, 
On the road with his iPad 

> On 30 Dec 2019, at 8:04 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 30/12/19 08:39, David Wales wrote:
>> My thought was that processing a subset of the formats could deal with a 
>> good chunk of the numbers, and the rest could be left for MapRoulette.
>> 
>> For example, some code could look at every number in Victoria,
> Caution .. are you certain that everywhere in Victoria use the same area 
> code? It is not the case in some states. 
> I'd check area codes in the west of the state that might use central 
> australian time. 
> 
>> remove all the spaces and special symbols and check if it is 10 digits long, 
>> with the first two being '03'. In that case, perform the transformation 
>> '03' -> '+61 3  '.
>> 
>> The other cases could be left for MapRoulette.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't think I have time at the moment to put this together 
>> myself. :(
>> 
>> On 29/12/19 9:44 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>>  
>>> It may be for someone more skilled than me 😊 however there are lots of 
>>> combinations that need to be taken into account
>>>  
>>> Those with no area codes
>>> Those with area codes in ()
>>> Those with area codes but no international code
>>> Those with international code but no + sign at the start
>>> Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces
>>> Grouping of numbers +61 x  
>>> 1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU
>>> Those without enough numbers
>>> Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)
>>>  
>>> …to mention just a few that I have found…
>>>  
>>> Cheers – Phil
>>>  
>>> From: David Wales  
>>> Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
>>> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates
>>>  
>>> I did a few.
>>> 
>>> Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> David Wales
>>> 
>>> On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>>> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment for an 
>>> hour or two.
>>>  
>>> It is certainly that! :-)
>>>  
>>> WA and Tasmania already completed
>>>  
>>> As is Qld :-)
>>>  
>>>  Thanks
>>>  
>>> Graeme
>>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Warin]

On 30/12/19 08:39, David Wales wrote:
My thought was that processing a subset of the formats could deal with 
a good chunk of the numbers, and the rest could be left for MapRoulette.


For example, some code could look at every number in Victoria,
Caution .. are you certain that everywhere in Victoria use the same area 
code? It is not the case in some states.
I'd check area codes in the west of the state that might use central 
australian time.


remove all the spaces and special symbols and check if it is 10 digits 
long, with the first two being '03'. In that case, perform the 
transformation '03' -> '+61 3  '.


The other cases could be left for MapRoulette.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have time at the moment to put this 
together myself. :(


On 29/12/19 9:44 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:


Hi David,

It may be for someone more skilled than me 😊however there are lots 
of combinations that need to be taken into account


Those with no area codes

Those with area codes in ()

Those with area codes but no international code

Those with international code but no + sign at the start

Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces

Grouping of numbers +61 x  

1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU

Those without enough numbers

Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)

…to mention just a few that I have found…

Cheers – Phil

*From:*David Wales 
*Sent:* Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
*To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

I did a few.

Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?

Regards,
David Wales

On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:

feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing
entertainment for an hour or two.

It is certainly that! :-)

WA and Tasmania already completed

As is Qld :-)

 Thanks

Graeme



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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[David Wales]

My thought was that processing a subset of the formats could deal with a
good chunk of the numbers, and the rest could be left for MapRoulette.

For example, some code could look at every number in Victoria, remove
all the spaces and special symbols and check if it is 10 digits long,
with the first two being '03'. In that case, perform the transformation
'03' -> '+61 3  '.

The other cases could be left for MapRoulette.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have time at the moment to put this
together myself. :(

On 29/12/19 9:44 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>  
>
> It may be for someone more skilled than me 😊however there are lots of
> combinations that need to be taken into account
>
>  
>
> Those with no area codes
>
> Those with area codes in ()
>
> Those with area codes but no international code
>
> Those with international code but no + sign at the start
>
> Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces
>
> Grouping of numbers +61 x  
>
> 1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU
>
> Those without enough numbers
>
> Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)
>
>  
>
> …to mention just a few that I have found…
>
>  
>
> Cheers – Phil
>
>  
>
> *From:*David Wales 
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates
>
>  
>
> I did a few.
>
> Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?
>
> Regards,
> David Wales
>
> On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>
>  
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt  <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
>
> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing
> entertainment for an hour or two.
>
>  
>
> It is certainly that! :-)
>
>  
>
> WA and Tasmania already completed
>
>  
>
> As is Qld :-)
>
>  
>
>  Thanks
>
>  
>
> Graeme
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi David,

 

It may be for someone more skilled than me 😊 however there are lots of 
combinations that need to be taken into account

 

Those with no area codes

Those with area codes in ()

Those with area codes but no international code

Those with international code but no + sign at the start

Spaces or dashes between numbers or no spaces

Grouping of numbers +61 x  

1300/1800 numbers that need to be tagged phone:AU

Those without enough numbers

Inconsistent area codes in some areas (NSW/VIC border areas)

 

…to mention just a few that I have found…

 

Cheers – Phil

 

From: David Wales  
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 9:34 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

 

I did a few.

Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?

Regards,
David Wales

On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




 

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment for an hour or 
two.

 

It is certainly that! :-)

 

WA and Tasmania already completed

 

As is Qld :-)

 

 Thanks

 

Graeme





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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[David Wales]

I did a few.

Surely this would be a prime target for an automated edit?

Regards,
David Wales

On 29/12/19 2:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt  > wrote:
>
> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment
> for an hour or two.
>
>
> It is certainly that! :-)
>  
>
> WA and Tasmania already completed
>
>
> As is Qld :-)
>
>  Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Phone number updates

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> feel free to join me if you want some mind numbing entertainment for an
> hour or two.
>

It is certainly that! :-)


> WA and Tasmania already completed
>

As is Qld :-)

 Thanks

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[talk-au] Phone number updates

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

I am slowly closing in on Melbourne CBD - feel free to join me if you want
some mind numbing entertainment for an hour or two. 25% completed ...

 

https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/4411 

 

Once this is completed it should be easier to pick up new users who may be
forgetting to add the +61 etc in front of phone numbers. I suspect it wont
stop the SEO/Spammers but its worth a shot.

 

WA and Tasmania already completed

 

Cheers - Phil

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