Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Nev W]

Yes, I decided that ‘is_in’ tag is not needed here and population looks good 
for this suburb with source and fits in with census data.
Nev 

> On 22 Sep 2022, at 6:29 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> + 1 for the name without state, country. Those can be found by the enclosing 
> features, there is no need to add tags 'is_in'.
> 
> 
> 
> Careful with populations.. they might be for the town and not the area.. 
> would need checking? 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/9/22 22:03, Nev wrote:
>> Thanks Alex,
>> that’s very helpful to me.
>> Nev
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Sep 2022, at 9:55 pm, Alex Sims  
>>> <mailto:a...@softgrow.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap 
>>> wide, so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.
>>>  
>>> The Australian  tagging guidelines 
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
>>>  
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries>
>>>  don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, 
>>> NSW does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122 
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122>
>>>  
>>> So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688> should have the 
>>> nodehttps://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421> added as a “label”. This 
>>> will then show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.
>>>  
>>> The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421> should have the name changed 
>>> back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the relation.
>>>  
>>> Alex
>>>  
>>> From: Nev W  <mailto:nevwo...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
>>> To: talk OSM Australian List  
>>> <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
>>> Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, 
>>> city in OSM.
>>> Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history 
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history>
>>> I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
>>> But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a 
>>> comma and further definition?
>>> Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies 
>>> this?
>>>  
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb 
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb>
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Warin]

+ 1 for the name without state, country. Those can be found by the 
enclosing features, there is no need to add tags 'is_in'.



Careful with populations.. they might be for the town and not the area.. 
would need checking?



On 21/9/22 22:03, Nev wrote:

Thanks Alex,
that’s very helpful to me.
Nev



On 21 Sep 2022, at 9:55 pm, Alex Sims  wrote:



Hi,

In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging 
OpenStreetMap wide, so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.


The Australian  tagging guidelines 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries 
don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of 
Cremorne, NSW does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122


So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This 
will then show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.


The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the 
name changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved 
to the relation.


Alex

*From: *Nev W 
*Date: *Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
*To: *talk OSM Australian List 
*Subject: *[talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, 
Australia


Hi

I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or 
country, city in OSM.


Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history

I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.

But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of 
a comma and further definition?


Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that 
clarifies this?


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb



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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Nev]

Thanks Alex,
that’s very helpful to me.
Nev


> On 21 Sep 2022, at 9:55 pm, Alex Sims  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap 
> wide, so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.
>  
> The Australian  tagging guidelines 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
>  don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, 
> NSW does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122
>  
> So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This will 
> then show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.
>  
> The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the name 
> changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the 
> relation.
>  
> Alex
>  
> From: Nev W 
> Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
> To: talk OSM Australian List 
> Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Hi
> I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, 
> city in OSM.
> Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history
> I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
> But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
> and further definition?
> Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?
>  
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap wide, 
so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.

The Australian  tagging guidelines 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
 don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, NSW 
does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122

So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This will then 
show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.

The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the name 
changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the 
relation.

Alex

From: Nev W 
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
To: talk OSM Australian List 
Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
Hi
I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, city 
in OSM.
Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history
I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
and further definition?
Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[nwastra]

I expect the best solution for now is to revert the name to Scarborough and add 
the is_in tag

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in
I thought it was depreciated but seems to be useful in this case

> On 21 Sep 2022, at 8:53 pm, Nev W  wrote:
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[talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Nev W]

Hi
I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, city 
in OSM.
Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history 

I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
and further definition?
Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb___
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