Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

I meant it will give you an idea of where to start looking (so you can
confirm by survey or aerial photo). Same goes for looking at council
published maps.

I wasn't suggesting people copy the data. We need to be very careful about
this.

  - Ben Kelley.
On Jul 30, 2012 4:13 PM, "waldo000...@gmail.com" 
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Ben Kelley  wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> For the moment the cycle map still has the pre redacted data, which will
>> give some tips.
>>
>> 
>>
> Could you clarify what you mean by "give some tips", please? This is a
> sensitive issue, right?
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Barker, Nicholas]

I suggested this (as 'legal stuff' is not my strong point) and was promptly 
told it's a big no-no!

I think we have to forget that data ever existed (which is somewhat sad but ah 
well onwards and upwards with the mapping eh)

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Hi.

For the moment the cycle map still has the pre redacted data, which will give 
some tips.


Could you clarify what you mean by "give some tips", please? This is a 
sensitive issue, right?

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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Ben Kelley  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> For the moment the cycle map still has the pre redacted data, which will
> give some tips.
>
> 
>
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

For the moment the cycle map still has the pre redacted data, which will
give some tips.

Many councils paint bike logos that can be seen in Bing, but not all.

Hopefully all the relations linked to from the wiki still exist, but I know
some are in bad shape.

  - Ben.
 On Jul 30, 2012 7:44 AM, "Ian Sergeant"  wrote:

> Keeping all Sydney cycle routes in the wiki is a good idea.  Updating them
> there post-recovery seems reasonable too.
>
> Cooks River and Botany Bay I deleted and then remapped red sections prior
> to the redaction, and surprised how much disappeared regardless.  Shouldn't
> take long to recover those.
>
> If there are any Sydney ones that need a survey, I'm happy to go for a
> pedal and do it.
>
> Ian
> On Jul 27, 2012 11:57 AM, "Ben Kelley"  wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> BTW, in terms of cycle routes in Marrickville I managed to remap some in
>> advance of the redaction, and I know where any missing ones go.
>>
>> There is a page on the wiki for Sydney Cycle Routes (pre redaction). Most
>> of the relations there should still exist, but I haven't had time to check
>> them yet. I wondered about coordinating cycle route remapping. Maybe via
>> the wiki page, and by LGA?
>>
>> For remapping roads, Bing is very good in Sydney, although exercise is
>> also good. :)
>>
>>- Ben.
>> On Jul 26, 2012 6:40 PM, "Eric Rose"  wrote:
>>
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>>> On 24/07/12 21:35, Leon Kernan wrote:
>>> > I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a
>>> > look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess.
>>>
>>> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
>>> collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
>>> active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
>>> tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
>>> (FIT format) to GPX.
>>>
>>> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
>>> focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Ian Sergeant]

Keeping all Sydney cycle routes in the wiki is a good idea.  Updating them
there post-recovery seems reasonable too.

Cooks River and Botany Bay I deleted and then remapped red sections prior
to the redaction, and surprised how much disappeared regardless.  Shouldn't
take long to recover those.

If there are any Sydney ones that need a survey, I'm happy to go for a
pedal and do it.

Ian
On Jul 27, 2012 11:57 AM, "Ben Kelley"  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> BTW, in terms of cycle routes in Marrickville I managed to remap some in
> advance of the redaction, and I know where any missing ones go.
>
> There is a page on the wiki for Sydney Cycle Routes (pre redaction). Most
> of the relations there should still exist, but I haven't had time to check
> them yet. I wondered about coordinating cycle route remapping. Maybe via
> the wiki page, and by LGA?
>
> For remapping roads, Bing is very good in Sydney, although exercise is
> also good. :)
>
>- Ben.
> On Jul 26, 2012 6:40 PM, "Eric Rose"  wrote:
>
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>> On 24/07/12 21:35, Leon Kernan wrote:
>> > I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a
>> > look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess.
>>
>> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
>> collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
>> active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
>> tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
>> (FIT format) to GPX.
>>
>> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
>> focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>>
>> Eric
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Michael Collinson]

FYI, I am working on the Cooks River Cycleway which I mapped over 
2005-2006 and can do the M7 cycleway if needed. I've been able to 
re-create a map of my efforts from a January 2007 planet dump so have 
1,000+ streets and paths over NSW and QLD that I can re-map using Bing 
imagery. Dalby, Port Macquarie, Laurieton and some coastal villages are 
done. Brisbane and Toowoomba look good so I am now working on Sydney. 
Mostly this is Ultimo, Pyrmont, CBD, The Rocks, Elizabeth Bay and cycle 
trips around the eastern suburbs coast down to Cronulla.


May I ask armchair mappers if they would not mind mapping in streets as 
highway=road instead of highway=residential? Otherwise they look "done" 
and I miss them. Putting source=Bing also helps me know that you have 
not ground-surveyed them and that my older data may still be good.


Good luck to everyone on the ground with the remapping, alas I no longer 
live in Australia,

Mike Collinson

On 27/07/2012 03:57, Ben Kelley wrote:


Hi.

BTW, in terms of cycle routes in Marrickville I managed to remap some 
in advance of the redaction, and I know where any missing ones go.


There is a page on the wiki for Sydney Cycle Routes (pre redaction). 
Most of the relations there should still exist, but I haven't had time 
to check them yet. I wondered about coordinating cycle route 
remapping. Maybe via the wiki page, and by LGA?


For remapping roads, Bing is very good in Sydney, although exercise is 
also good. :)


   - Ben.

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On 24/07/12 21:35, Leon Kernan wrote:
> I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a
> look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess.

I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
(FIT format) to GPX.

All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.

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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

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On 27/07/12 16:14, Brett Russell wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have a Garmin Edge 305 that I can load into Basecamp rather than
> Training Centre so can generate GPX files from Basecamp that work
> with OSM.

I've probably got my 305 somewhere, but no mounts for it. I only
recently gave away my 705 to my brother, and wouldn't go back to
either of them from the 800 (not as a cycling tool, anyway).
Converting from FIT won't be impossible, but more of a pain than I wish.

Eric

> 
> Cheers
> 
> Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419
> 374 971
> 
> On 27/07/2012, at 1:48 PM, "Eric Rose"  wrote:
> 
> On 27/07/12 11:47, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 Hi Eric,
 
 Try gpsbabel, it's a handy tool that lets you convert ways /
 tracks / routes from one format to another: 
 http://www.gpsbabel.org/
> 
> I wish it worked, as that's how I used to do stuff with the old
> Edge 705 and TCX format.
> 
> Unfortunately, even though the GPSBabel site tells me that version
> 1.4.2 supports FIT files with garmin_fit (for tracks at least), I
> get a "Input type not recognised" error when I try and convert a
> FIT file.
> 
> I might have to download a converted file from ridewithgps after I 
> upload it there.
> 
> Eric
> 
 
 It can be a little complicated to use, and there is a command
 line and a gui interface. The documentation on gpsbabel's
 website is very good.
 
 Cheers, Cam.
 
> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling
> around and collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given
> that I haven't been an active mapper for a while, I'll have
> to re-familiarise myself with the tools again, and work out
> how to easily convert data from my Edge 800 (FIT format) to
> GPX.
> 
> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my
> primary focus is on recreating data from my old traces in
> that area.
> 
> Eric
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Brett Russell]

Hi 

I have a Garmin Edge 305 that I can load into Basecamp rather than  Training 
Centre so can generate GPX files from Basecamp that work with OSM. 

Cheers 

Cheers
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PO Box 94
Launceston Tas. 7250
Australia
0419 374 971

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> On 27/07/12 11:47, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> Try gpsbabel, it's a handy tool that lets you convert ways / tracks /
>> routes from one format to another:
>> http://www.gpsbabel.org/
> 
> I wish it worked, as that's how I used to do stuff with the old Edge 705
> and TCX format.
> 
> Unfortunately, even though the GPSBabel site tells me that version 1.4.2
> supports FIT files with garmin_fit (for tracks at least), I get a "Input
> type not recognised" error when I try and convert a FIT file.
> 
> I might have to download a converted file from ridewithgps after I
> upload it there.
> 
> Eric
> 
>> 
>> It can be a little complicated to use, and there is a command line and a
>> gui interface.
>> The documentation on gpsbabel's website is very good.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Cam.
>> 
>>> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
>>> collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
>>> active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
>>> tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
>>> (FIT format) to GPX.
>>> 
>>> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
>>> focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>>> 
>>> Eric
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

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On 27/07/12 11:47, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Try gpsbabel, it's a handy tool that lets you convert ways / tracks /
> routes from one format to another:
> http://www.gpsbabel.org/

I wish it worked, as that's how I used to do stuff with the old Edge 705
and TCX format.

Unfortunately, even though the GPSBabel site tells me that version 1.4.2
supports FIT files with garmin_fit (for tracks at least), I get a "Input
type not recognised" error when I try and convert a FIT file.

I might have to download a converted file from ridewithgps after I
upload it there.

Eric

> 
> It can be a little complicated to use, and there is a command line and a
> gui interface.
> The documentation on gpsbabel's website is very good.
> 
> Cheers,
> Cam.
> 
>> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
>> collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
>> active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
>> tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
>> (FIT format) to GPX.
>>
>> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
>> focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>>
>> Eric


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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

BTW, in terms of cycle routes in Marrickville I managed to remap some in
advance of the redaction, and I know where any missing ones go.

There is a page on the wiki for Sydney Cycle Routes (pre redaction). Most
of the relations there should still exist, but I haven't had time to check
them yet. I wondered about coordinating cycle route remapping. Maybe via
the wiki page, and by LGA?

For remapping roads, Bing is very good in Sydney, although exercise is also
good. :)

   - Ben.
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> On 24/07/12 21:35, Leon Kernan wrote:
> > I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a
> > look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess.
>
> I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
> collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
> active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
> tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
> (FIT format) to GPX.
>
> All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
> focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>
> Eric
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[cam_daw]

Hi Eric,

Try gpsbabel, it's a handy tool that lets you convert ways / tracks /
routes from one format to another:
http://www.gpsbabel.org/

It can be a little complicated to use, and there is a command line and a
gui interface.
The documentation on gpsbabel's website is very good.

Cheers,
Cam.

>I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
>collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
>active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
>tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
>(FIT format) to GPX.
>
>All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
>focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

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On 24/07/12 21:35, Leon Kernan wrote:
> I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a
> look, i'm not game to get too far into that mess.

I'm in Marrickville, but may be able to spend time cycling around and
collecting traces in surrounding areas. Given that I haven't been an
active mapper for a while, I'll have to re-familiarise myself with the
tools again, and work out how to easily convert data from my Edge 800
(FIT format) to GPX.

All my previous mapping was done around Mullumbimby, and my primary
focus is on recreating data from my old traces in that area.

Eric

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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Leon Kernan]

Don't worry too much about the Hume, it's almost fixed as far as i can tell. 
I think I fixed the last issue affecting routing between Melbourne and Sydney 
tonight. (hopefully)

South west sydney is full of broken roads.  
I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a look, i'm 
not game to get too far into that mess.

If you need a change, Adelaide is also a huge mess.

On 24/07/2012, at 8:34 PM, Michael Hampson wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if 
> you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael 
> On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
>> Hi All
>> 
>> I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways 
>> and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if 
>> there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now 
>> pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing 
>> which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It 
>> also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some 
>> favourite places virtually!
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Simon Poole]

They should both be OK, with the exception of a minor hickup along the
way (which may also be fixed in the mean time), what does nead work are
the last 200k or so of the Paific Highway in to Brisbane.

In  any case I would wait till OSRM has been updated (9:00 CEST
tomorrow) it makes it far easier to pinpoint gaps and other issues.

If you have spare time grab a tile from rebuild.poole.ch and trace a
bit, for example of Sydney.


Simon


PS: to all BTW does it make sense to add regions for further cities to
the task manager?
 
Am 24.07.2012 12:34, schrieb Michael Hampson:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5
> motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
> On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on
>> motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let
>> me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham
>> UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings
>> from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this
>> provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to
>> Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Steve Bennett]

Thanks Brian. I'd say anything highway=primary or above is priority,
wherever it is. Fortunately not many of those missing from Victoria.

Steve

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways
> and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if
> there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now
> pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing
> which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It
> also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some
> favourite places virtually!
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> Regards
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Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Michael Hampson]

Hi Brian,

Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 
motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney.


Regards,

Michael
On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:

Hi All

I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on 
motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let 
me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK 
wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from 
bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a 
bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years 
ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually!


Regards

Brian


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[talk-au] Redaction recovery

[Brian Prangle]

Hi All

I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways
and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if
there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now
pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing
which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It
also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some
favourite places virtually!

Regards

Brian
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