Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
Only if you have a magic machine-image plug-in that draws the roundabout 
for you ;-)


If it helps to illustrate the difference right up to this point:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2016-January/010828.html

you could argue that the LPI import was "fully manual", but after that 
it was an import.



On 11/07/16 18:35, Warin wrote:

By this definition opening bing imagery and 'importing' a single
roundabout, a track, a building outline etc would each need to be
compliant with the import guidelines.

On 7/11/2016 5:27 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

From the opening paragraph:

"Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading
external data to OSM"

the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson,
or whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import.

On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote:


Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import
Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which
could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items
being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW
data.  Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources
even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time?




On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have
to go
through before you start importing data into OSM*:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

*Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed
to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import.
Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not
insignificant
level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.

On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:

Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the
Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we
cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named
Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user
returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors
page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from
PSMA
by this user or anyone else.



Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by
the
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am
now in
the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use
their (boundary) datasets instead.

The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit
permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission



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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Warin
By this definition opening bing imagery and 'importing' a single 
roundabout, a track, a building outline etc would each need to be 
compliant with the import guidelines.


On 7/11/2016 5:27 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

From the opening paragraph:

"Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading 
external data to OSM"


the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson, 
or whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import.


On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote:


Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import
Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which
could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items
being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW
data.  Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources
even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time?




On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have 
to go

through before you start importing data into OSM*:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

*Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed
to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import.
Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not 
insignificant

level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.

On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the 
Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we 
cannot

use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named 
Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user 
returned a

result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors 
page so

someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from 
PSMA

by this user or anyone else.


Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by 
the
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am 
now in

the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use
their (boundary) datasets instead.

The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit 
permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission 




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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Andrew Davidson

From the opening paragraph:

"Importing (also known as Bulk Importing) is the process of uploading 
external data to OSM"


the keyword is uploading. So as you open a shape file, kml, geojson, or 
whatnot in your favourite editor/script it then becomes an import.


On 11/07/16 16:49, cleary wrote:


Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import
Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which
could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items
being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW
data.  Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources
even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time?




On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go
through before you start importing data into OSM*:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

*Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed
to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import.
Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant
level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.

On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:

Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.



Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in
the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use
their (boundary) datasets instead.

The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission


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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-10 Thread cleary

Could I have clarification please? I had previously read the Import
Guidelines as referring to large scale imports of whole datasets (which
could have wide ramifications if there were problems) but not to items
being added individually and incrementally as occurred with LPI NSW
data.  Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources
even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time? 




On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go 
> through before you start importing data into OSM*:
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
> 
> *Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed 
> to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import. 
> Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant 
> level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.
> 
> On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:
> >
> > On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
> >> Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
> >> of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
> >> use PSMA datasets in OSM.
> >>
> >> As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
> >> wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
> >> little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
> >> result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
> >> works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
> >> also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
> >> someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
> >> either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
> >> by this user or anyone else.
> >>
> >>
> > Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the
> > data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in
> > the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of
> > Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use
> > their (boundary) datasets instead.
> >
> > The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission
> >
> >
> > Reuben
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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go 
through before you start importing data into OSM*:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

*Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed 
to achieve two out of the five steps required with the NSW LPI import. 
Turns out that not planning an import does result in a not insignificant 
level of PITA. Which is why I was hoping to avoid this in the future.


On 10/7/16 16:18, Reuben wrote:


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:

Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.



Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in
the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use
their (boundary) datasets instead.

The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission


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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-10 Thread cleary
Reuben. Thanks for your response and clarification. Hopefully your
request to Queensland Government Department will be fruitful.


On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 04:18 PM, Reuben wrote:
> 
> On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:
> > Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
> > of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
> > use PSMA datasets in OSM.
> >
> > As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
> > wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
> > little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
> > result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
> > works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
> > also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
> > someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
> > either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
> > by this user or anyone else.
> >
> >
> Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the 
> data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in 
> the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of 
> Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use 
> their (boundary) datasets instead.
> 
> The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit
> permission:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission
>  
> 
> 
> Reuben
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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread Reuben


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:

Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.


Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the 
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in 
the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of 
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use 
their (boundary) datasets instead.


The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission 



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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 10 July 2016 at 14:06, cleary  wrote:
> Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
> of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
> use PSMA datasets in OSM.
>
> As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
> wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
> little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
> result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
> works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
> also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
> someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
> either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
> by this user or anyone else.
>
> I would like to delete the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki,
> referring to PSMA boundaries, unless there are objections. As an
> amatuer/novice, I was almost misled into thinking that inclusion of a
> source in the Contributors page gave me a green light to use that source
> and I fear it may mislead others if the information is left there.
>
> For the same reason I would also like to remove the reference to the NSW
> Geographic Names Board - we discussed that source within recent months
> and it seems we do not have the necessary permission for that either.
> This is not a significant problem as the same GNB data and much more is
> in the LPI NSW data for which we do have explicit permission.
>
> Any comments on my proposal to delete lines from the Contributors page
> of the wiki?

Sounds good to me.

Anyone making maps/apps can supplement OSM with the PSMA Admin Bdys,
if they want to.

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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread cleary
Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.

I would like to delete the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki,
referring to PSMA boundaries, unless there are objections. As an
amatuer/novice, I was almost misled into thinking that inclusion of a
source in the Contributors page gave me a green light to use that source
and I fear it may mislead others if the information is left there.

For the same reason I would also like to remove the reference to the NSW
Geographic Names Board - we discussed that source within recent months
and it seems we do not have the necessary permission for that either.
This is not a significant problem as the same GNB data and much more is
in the LPI NSW data for which we do have explicit permission.

Any comments on my proposal to delete lines from the Contributors page
of the wiki?




On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:15 AM, cleary wrote:
> 
> The issue of using the Australian PSMA Administrative Boundaries in OSM
> was discussed in both talk-au and legal-talk lists.  Subsequently I
> submitted a request to the Spatial Unit, Department of Prime Minister
> and Cabinet, seeking permission and stating the issues as clearly as I
> could.  Today I received the following response with my initial request
> shown below.
> 
> It explicitly states we are not responsible for the actions of
> downstream users  but I think we need the legal-talk group to clarify if
> the response helps us.  For this reason, this response is being
> submitted to both lists.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original message -
> From: Spatial 
> To: "o...@97k.com" 
> Cc: Spatial 
> Subject: RE: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
> Boundaries [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 00:19:27 +
> 
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Dear Michael
> 
> Thank you for your email seeking clarification about the licensing
> conditions regarding the PSMA Administrative Boundaries dataset.
> 
> Given the large volume of public datasets available via data.gov.au
> (over 8,200 datasets), we are unable to provide statements with explicit
> permission for use to individual users.
> 
> However, we can provide some clarification regarding your concerns. 
> 
> There are no substantial differences between the CC BY 3.0 and the CC BY
> 4.0 licences. A summary of the differences can be found here:
> https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/version4/.
>  
> CC BY 4.0 (like CC BY 3.0) does not prevent OpenStreetMap from applying
> your own licence to your products but requires end users to comply with
> the CC BY licence (in relation to the original data).
> 
> The preferred attribution for adapted material using the PSMA
> Administrative Boundaries dataset is:
> 
> Incorporates or developed using Administrative Boundaries (c)PSMA
> Australia Limited licensed by the Commonwealth of Australia under
> Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International licence (CC BY 4.0).
> 
> We can also confirm that OpenStreetMap is not responsible for the
> actions of your downstream users. Given the nature of the CC BY licence,
> your downstream users directly licence the Administrative Boundaries
> data from the Commonwealth. Provided that OpenStreetMap comply with the
> licence, then any breach by third parties leads to automatic termination
> of that third party's rights to use the material and does not impact
> OpenStreetMap's licence.
> 
> I trust this information has been of assistance.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Spatial Policy team
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 6:08 PM
> To: Spatial
> Subject: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
> Boundaries
> 
> 
> 
> I am a volunteer contributor to OpenStreetMap (OSM)
> (www.openstreetmap.org) which provides a map, based on open data, for
> use by anyone who wishes to access it. I understand that OpenStreetMap
> is the largest open data map project in the world. Various bodies,
> including some Government organisations, are increasingly using OSM and
> I was pleased to note that some pages on the data.gov.au website are
> using OSM.
> 
> Approximately five years ago, OSM was given explicit permission to
> incorporate data from Australian Government public information datasets
> which had been 

[talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-07 Thread cleary

The issue of using the Australian PSMA Administrative Boundaries in OSM
was discussed in both talk-au and legal-talk lists.  Subsequently I
submitted a request to the Spatial Unit, Department of Prime Minister
and Cabinet, seeking permission and stating the issues as clearly as I
could.  Today I received the following response with my initial request
shown below.

It explicitly states we are not responsible for the actions of
downstream users  but I think we need the legal-talk group to clarify if
the response helps us.  For this reason, this response is being
submitted to both lists.



- Original message -
From: Spatial 
To: "o...@97k.com" 
Cc: Spatial 
Subject: RE: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
Boundaries [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 00:19:27 +

UNCLASSIFIED
Dear Michael

Thank you for your email seeking clarification about the licensing
conditions regarding the PSMA Administrative Boundaries dataset.

Given the large volume of public datasets available via data.gov.au
(over 8,200 datasets), we are unable to provide statements with explicit
permission for use to individual users.

However, we can provide some clarification regarding your concerns. 

There are no substantial differences between the CC BY 3.0 and the CC BY
4.0 licences. A summary of the differences can be found here:
https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/version4/. 
CC BY 4.0 (like CC BY 3.0) does not prevent OpenStreetMap from applying
your own licence to your products but requires end users to comply with
the CC BY licence (in relation to the original data).

The preferred attribution for adapted material using the PSMA
Administrative Boundaries dataset is:

Incorporates or developed using Administrative Boundaries (c)PSMA
Australia Limited licensed by the Commonwealth of Australia under
Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International licence (CC BY 4.0).

We can also confirm that OpenStreetMap is not responsible for the
actions of your downstream users. Given the nature of the CC BY licence,
your downstream users directly licence the Administrative Boundaries
data from the Commonwealth. Provided that OpenStreetMap comply with the
licence, then any breach by third parties leads to automatic termination
of that third party's rights to use the material and does not impact
OpenStreetMap's licence.

I trust this information has been of assistance.

Kind regards,

Spatial Policy team


-Original Message-
From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 6:08 PM
To: Spatial
Subject: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
Boundaries



I am a volunteer contributor to OpenStreetMap (OSM)
(www.openstreetmap.org) which provides a map, based on open data, for
use by anyone who wishes to access it. I understand that OpenStreetMap
is the largest open data map project in the world. Various bodies,
including some Government organisations, are increasingly using OSM and
I was pleased to note that some pages on the data.gov.au website are
using OSM.

Approximately five years ago, OSM was given explicit permission to
incorporate data from Australian Government public information datasets
which had been published under CC-BY-2.5 and CC-BY-3.0 licences. The
explicit permission allowed OSM to incorporate and publish these CC-BY
licensed geographic coordinate datasets under a free and open license,
including the Open Database License, provided that attribution was made
in the Contributors page of the OpenStreetMap Wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors) including each dataset
being identified with specified informaton. (See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission)

I write now to request extension of permission to include the PSMA
Administrative Boundaries.

It is perceived that issues which may require clarification in regard to
the PSMA Administrative Boundaries are:

1. The PSMA Administrative Boundaries are provided under a CC-BY-4.0
licence, not the earlier licences previously specified.
2. The explicit permission that OSM received was for data released
directly by the Australian Government, and it is unclear if that would
apply to data that which has been licensed from third parties for
distribution, which seems to be the case with the PSMA boundaries.
3. There is a requirement that the data may be used only in ways that
are consistent with the Australian Privacy Principles. OSM does not
collect or use personal information about identifiable individuals but
it cannot guarantee how downstream users might use data published by OSM
under a free and open licence. If downstream users of OSM are a concern,
would it be possible for the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet or
PSMA to identify which datasets are problematic in this regard and
exclude them, while granting OSM permission to use datasets which would
not provide any cause for concern in regard to the Privacy Principles?

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