I have my membership on the list set up to receive the daily digest. I get one
email a day with the postings since the last one.
I can scan over it read more deeply the ones I want.
When I'm finished I can delete the lot.
I am in a couple of groups like this and I have them all set up this way.
Works for me.
Cheers,
Paul
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1. A modest proposal for OSM mailing list reform
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(Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
3. A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (Nick Hocking)
4. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (John Smith)
5. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (Sam Couter)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:30:20 +1000
From: "Alex (Maxious) Sadleir" <maxi...@gmail.com>
To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] A modest proposal for OSM mailing list reform
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http://opengeodata.org/osm-mailing-lists-time-for-a-change
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 10:12:05 +1000
From: "Alex (Maxious) Sadleir" <maxi...@gmail.com>
To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] whereNSW forum on spatial data policy 4th June
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http://wherensw.net.au/
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 13:52:47 +1000
From: Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com>
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason....
If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid
reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the
troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it
becomes troll infested.
With mailing lists it is easy to just not open a post from a troll but if
someone else directly quotes a troll then it is a bit tricky to "stop
reading instantly".
The trick is that the forum must be threaded. Of course the desperate trolls
will then start to put their poison in the subject line and to increase
their use of sock puppets so as to try to trick us into reading their
garbage. At this point there, unfortunately, needs to be some form of
moderation/banning (or CENSORSHIP as the trolls will bleat).
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 14:32:22 +1000
From: John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com>
To: Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com>
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason....
> If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid
> reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the
> troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it
> becomes troll infested.
>
> With mailing lists it is easy to just not open a post from a troll but if
> someone else directly quotes a troll then it is a bit tricky to "stop
> reading instantly".
>
> The trick is that the forum must be threaded. Of course the desperate trolls
> will then start to put their poison in the subject line and to increase
> their use of sock puppets so as to try to trick us into reading their
> garbage. At this point there, unfortunately, needs to be some form of
> moderation/banning (or CENSORSHIP as the trolls will bleat).
While not a forum, you do realise you can do the same thing with a
newsgroup interface?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists#Reading_mailing_lists_via_newsgroup_interface
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:08:08 +1000
From: Sam Couter <s...@couter.id.au>
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason....
> > If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid
> > reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the
> > troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it
> > becomes troll infested.
> While not a forum, you do realise you can do the same thing with a
> newsgroup interface?
Any decent mail client will offer the same feature.
Forums suck hardcore. They all have different feature sets, differently
disabled UIs, they encourage terrible posting styles, and worst of all I
have to go to them (and register separately at each one, log in each
time I visit, manage yet another user profile, remember a whole new set of
user identities for those I interact with, etc) if I want to read the
content.
With mailing lists on the other hand, the content conveniently comes
direct to me, I get to choose what software has the interface I like, and
it is impossible for censors to delete stuff before I get to see it. All
that, and I still have a delete button for stuff I don't want to see.
--
Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:11:26 +1000
From: John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com>
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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On 21 May 2011 16:08, Sam Couter <s...@couter.id.au> wrote:
> John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason....
>> > If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid
>> > reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the
>> > troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if
>> > it
>> > becomes troll infested.
>
>> While not a forum, you do realise you can do the same thing with a
>> newsgroup interface?
>
> Any decent mail client will offer the same feature.
>
> Forums suck hardcore. They all have different feature sets, differently
> disabled UIs, they encourage terrible posting styles, and worst of all I
> have to go to them (and register separately at each one, log in each
> time I visit, manage yet another user profile, remember a whole new set of
> user identities for those I interact with, etc) if I want to read the
> content.
>
> With mailing lists on the other hand, the content conveniently comes
> direct to me, I get to choose what software has the interface I like, and
> it is impossible for censors to delete stuff before I get to see it. All
> that, and I still have a delete button for stuff I don't want to see.
I was trying to avoid the discussion/flame war over mailing lists v
forums v whatever.
This is a very subjective thing, possibly due to when you started to
use the internet and your personality/preferences etc etc etc
If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:31:50 +1000
From: John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com>
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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On 21 May 2011 16:11, John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe.
Actually gmane.org does a few different options, include a blog like
interface...
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.au
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 17:39:34 +1000
From: Chris Barham <cbar...@pobox.com>
To: talk-au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
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> On 21 May 2011 16:11, John Smith <deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe.
I've used MarkMail for lists, and like it:
http://goo.gl/Sv27p
which is this less friendly/longer URL:
http://markmail.org/search/?q=talk-au#query:talk-au%20list%3Aorg.openstreetmap.talk-au+page:1+state:facets
Chris
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