Re: [talk-au] turn restrictions discussion

2022-04-30 Thread Dian Ă…gesson



Hi Anthony,

I'm not particularly interested in previous disagreements, so I'm not 
going to wade into this other "bus stop" issue.


It is clear that there is a disconnect between what you understand these 
edits are doing to routing algorithms, and what the other editors are 
explaining is happening. In particular, the method you are using to 
model intersections (using separate ways for turns where no physical 
separation) is causing extra complexity and errors. The wiki is a good 
place to start for more detail, as is 
https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/modeling-intersections-for-map-navigation/


I am happy to spend time going into this in more detail, but mailing 
lists tend to be a bad forum for really detailed conversation and these 
resources are a good start.


Dian

On 2022-05-01 02:50, Anthony Panozzo wrote:

What that luke person was talking about was a bus stop node upgrade 
which took place a few months ago, the kids on discord argued that 
there might be a 1 in million "edge case" which will ruin the map, so 
my mass edit was reverted and they have to be edited individually, now 
the same people came out of nowhere because they see me posting here 
and argue that this guy is free to go about clicking buttons based on 
the validator and there will never ever be an edge case scenario. With 
these kids it's personal they don't make any sense and that's why that 
kids decided to come in here and bring up bus stops lmao.


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I suspect that no-one is taking the piss - depending on the mail client
"reply all" will very often go to the sender cc the list.

Perhaps a bit more discussion about what problems have been created 
might

have helped (and "source=knowledge") isn't a great description of why
something was changed, but to an outsider it does look like a couple of
rounds of polite questions were mossing before the "wtf is going on" on
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120344373#map=19/-34.76638/138.58995
.

Where there are turn restrictions missing something vital like "from" 
or

"to" sometimes it's obvious what needs to be re-added, and sometimes
actually deleting it is just fine because other tags (such as oneway) 
are

doing the same job.

Where you think a turn restriction has been deleted in error, perhaps 
it

would help to comment why that was in error?

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 13:18 Anthony Panozzo,  wrote:

Im not it?s 100% true, youre the one taking the piss by jumping in 
this
conversation and just speaking on behalf of the other person involved 
when
the matter was already discussed and sorted. Please do not email me 
directly








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Can someone else please confirm that this guy is just taking the piss?

Cheers,
Luke

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 21:58, Anthony Panozzo  
wrote:


I didn?t realise you emailed me directly I am going to have to block 
you

from doing so in the future, it?s against OSM au-talk policy







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Re: [talk-au] Turn restrictions

2022-03-24 Thread Warin


On 23/3/22 17:34, Luke Stewart wrote:

Hi Gavin,

If buses are the only vehicles allowed on the stem (via no entry 
signs, etc), then you can apply an access restriction on the way and 
do not need turn restrictions. However if turns are prohibited from 
dome directions and not others (e.g., a bus can turn in from either 
side of the T but cars can only turn from one side of the stem), then 
you should use a turn restriction relation.


Cheers,
Luke



Arr .. very good Luke. One near me is busses + taxis only .. I have 
tagged it as turn restrictions .. will have to re-tag it. Much simpler 
as an access tag.




On Wed, 23 Mar 2022, 15:00 Gavin Scott,  wrote:

At a T intersection only school buses are allowed to turn into the
stem of the T.
Should this restriction be controlled by a relation, an access tag
on the stem, or both.

Thanks
Gavin
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[talk-au] Turn restrictions

2022-03-22 Thread Gavin Scott
At a T intersection only school buses are allowed to turn into the stem of
the T.
Should this restriction be controlled by a relation, an access tag on the
stem, or both.

Thanks
Gavin
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