Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi Folks, I suspect most agencies run the ESRI suite of products in the background for all their GIS and incident mapping and they may port data or maps to other apps (maybe in realtime or daily, weekly or at least seasonally). Collector is an ESRI app for collecting field data which is likely fed back in realtime during fires to a centralised location for updating maps that may then get pushed back to tablets/apps in the field. OK if you have a connection. >From experience, if something doesn’t ‘feel right’ at a fire then folks, >especially volunteers, will grab their phone and use what they are familiar >with – be it Google, Avenza, OSM or one of many other apps. The further you >move from the city the less folks trust Google as its woeful in many areas (as >we have all no doubt heard on many occasions). The beauty of exposing folks to OSM is that once they understand the process they get the ability to update the maps and see results either immediately or on the next update. If you have ever tried getting more remote features updated on Google you will know what a hassle that can be (if at all!!). I generally would not consider adding Lot/Plan details to OSM. Generally when land is sold/subdivided then addresses are assigned ‘fairly quickly’ and become the norm for locating the places. Cheers - Phil From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2022 4:33 PM To: stevea Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA Thanks all for thoughts, including yours from over there, Steve! It may be worth approaching "Fire & Rescue" in each State to ask them directly? A bit of feedback from another forum, says that in NSW the RFS still use a lot of paper maps, although I of them thinks that officially a system called Collector is in use, but he doesn't know t much about it? He & another bloke from Vic RFS both use an "RFS Buddy" app, which gives lat/long or grid coords, but doesn't include a map. I've been adding some street numbers to a couple of rural roads that I know (using a public source!) - would there be any advantage to including Lot & Plan numbers? eg 154 FOREST HOME RD, RATHDOWNEY is Lot 10 of Plan RP178426. If so, what would we add them as? Thanks Graeme PS Good luck with your planned return & career change, Adam! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Thanks all for thoughts, including yours from over there, Steve! It may be worth approaching "Fire & Rescue" in each State to ask them directly? A bit of feedback from another forum, says that in NSW the RFS still use a lot of paper maps, although I of them thinks that officially a system called Collector is in use, but he doesn't know t much about it? He & another bloke from Vic RFS both use an "RFS Buddy" app, which gives lat/long or grid coords, but doesn't include a map. I've been adding some street numbers to a couple of rural roads that I know (using a public source!) - would there be any advantage to including Lot & Plan numbers? eg 154 FOREST HOME RD, RATHDOWNEY is Lot 10 of Plan RP178426. If so, what would we add them as? Thanks Graeme PS Good luck with your planned return & career change, Adam! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Thanks, Ewen: you have inspired me to dig up his business card (hm, where’d I put it?!) and do exactly that. Yes, I’m sure "a waiver could be signed and copyright sorted,” as we really do have open data laws here and I’m sure with the rightly-worded request, it could be done legally and without revealing whatever might be “privileged.” There ARE such things (I wouldn’t want MY neighborhood’s gate code to be made public if I live on a road where each of us, for example, has 15 hectares and shares an access road / gate code). That’s not what I’m interested in, but the fact there is a road, and a gate, yeah, I could see that making its way into OSM. I’m quite respectful of access=no and access=private, having tagged quite a few of those (after I discovered them, which is almost the only way for OSM to do that — well, very well / “correctly,” politely / legally, anyway). What we have (in my little county) is pretty darn good (I think nearly every public road and pretty darn close to “most if not all” private roads, excluding really well-hidden driveways), but the really, really obscure (usually dirt) roads that allow access to “miles way, way back there” are surely missing in some cases, and those are like catnip for this mapping cat. Yes, they are private as heck, but I suppose the “for completeness sake” in me craves those data. It’s like finishing a crossword puzzle: you aren’t done ’til you’re done! > On Sep 13, 2022, at 2:54 AM, Ewen Hill wrote: > > Hi Steve, > Thanks for the interesting tale. Remember that if you only use the end > product through paper maps, mobile data terminals then it is a "black box > product" that is difficult to discuss, especially for an area commander whose > talents may be in other areas. The Calfire crews I have met have been nothing > short of open and accommodating > >Back in 2005/2006, one part of Australia provided 1275 local fire > brigades, base maps that they then went out and validated (e.g bridge limits, > forestry tracks and private tracks that can be used in a pinch), and > returned. Bridge limits are important if you are carrying 3000kg of wet stuff > on the back and 2wd/4wd access is also important. This was then compiled > into paper and online maps and has grown significantly since. > > These maps have around 80 layers compiled from a lot of government data > (already available to OSMers) but has a number of layers that OSMers may not > need like brigade turn out areas, initial response tables where your house > may be a two truck initial response but the house next door maybe 4 trucks > due to potential hazards. There is a lot more privileged and operational data > that is not suitable for distribution. > > You should probably be looking at the land management, water infrastructure > and transport departments who control the layers we OSMers are interested in > to get the waiver signed and copyright sorted. > > Ewen > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi Steve, Thanks for the interesting tale. Remember that if you only use the end product through paper maps, mobile data terminals then it is a "black box product" that is difficult to discuss, especially for an area commander whose talents may be in other areas. The Calfire crews I have met have been nothing short of open and accommodating Back in 2005/2006, one part of Australia provided 1275 local fire brigades, base maps that they then went out and validated (e.g bridge limits, forestry tracks and private tracks that can be used in a pinch), and returned. Bridge limits are important if you are carrying 3000kg of wet stuff on the back and 2wd/4wd access is also important. This was then compiled into paper and online maps and has grown significantly since. These maps have around 80 layers compiled from a lot of government data (already available to OSMers) but has a number of layers that OSMers may not need like brigade turn out areas, initial response tables where your house may be a two truck initial response but the house next door maybe 4 trucks due to potential hazards. There is a lot more privileged and operational data that is not suitable for distribution. You should probably be looking at the land management, water infrastructure and transport departments who control the layers we OSMers are interested in to get the waiver signed and copyright sorted. Ewen On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 18:57, stevea wrote: > Some USA perspective: because of where I was, happening to go to a funky > little mountain organic food store and the proximity of this store to a > "CalFire" station (sort of two of them, in a regional sense...CalFire being > the California Department of Forestry, essentially the "state fire > department" for California — in rural areas where there is no urban fire > department), I once bumped into what I later figured out is a sort of > "lieutenant general" in the state fire hierarchy of California — pretty far > "up there" for the little village I was in. White shirt, yellow-tin > shield, name tag, official state car he was getting out of... I mentioned > OSM and what it is and he (I honestly think so) looked at me like he didn't > know my full name, what I do on the project (a fair bit in the county we > were both standing in) — but I have a feeling he knew exactly who I am — > and even what I was about to ask him, but he acted very nonchalant. Super > nonchalant. Very nice man. I asked him what sort of GIS / mapping data > the state uses for fire data: parcels, "back roads," the sorts of gates > where they have a key or a code (because they are the fire department) and > it was like I was a guy holding a grenade and asking the combination to > Fort Knox (where, supposedly, a great deal of gold is locked up). > > Totally "we don't talk about our map data." Just shut me down like that. > He knew what I was asking, and that I wanted to somehow get it into OSM and > it was like "talk to the hand, son..." just a total wall of "yes, we might > be the state and we might have 'open data' (sunshine) laws in California > and I know you want me to talk about this stuff, but it ain't gonna > happen." He was as friendly as could be, gave me his business card and > everything, but he shut me down so effectively it befuddled me like I've > never been befuddled before. > > Now, I know for a fact that CalFire has (and uses and updates and > improves...) some serious, serious map data. Could I, as a "simple > citizen" have access to it? Um, to what again? What are you talking > about? It was surreal. The answer was either "no" before I asked the > question, or whenever I did ask a specific question it was "what are you > talking about?" in such a skilled way I was derailed at every step. This > guy was a master of deception that such map data even exists (but of course > it does) and he did it while smiling at me like the nicest guy at the > grocery store, and even gave me his business card. That guy is slick. I > was bamboozled totally. > > Moral of the story is that I doubt OSM will ever have access to those fire > / emergency geo data (and they are necessarily very high quality), and I > don't know what wizardry by which that happens (as we ARE an "open data" > (sunshine) state, with "public" data), yet this stuff seems locked up > tighter than a bank vault. > > So, it's interesting how all of this stuff works. I have found that > "some" bureaucracies (e.g. county GIS departments) KNOW there is going to > be some overlap with "their" (our) data and OSM (indeed, I do keep such > datasets fairly synced, especially as they update / improve). But for the > ultra-high-quality emergency-services geo data? Those seem to be kept on > the top shelf of a locked cabinet in a room I can't enter. I suppose > that's OK, but in some sense, it doesn't feel OK. I mean, in a "public" > sense, those are my (our) data. Are they sensitive, and therefore out of > my reach? Wow, it sure
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Some USA perspective: because of where I was, happening to go to a funky little mountain organic food store and the proximity of this store to a "CalFire" station (sort of two of them, in a regional sense...CalFire being the California Department of Forestry, essentially the "state fire department" for California — in rural areas where there is no urban fire department), I once bumped into what I later figured out is a sort of "lieutenant general" in the state fire hierarchy of California — pretty far "up there" for the little village I was in. White shirt, yellow-tin shield, name tag, official state car he was getting out of... I mentioned OSM and what it is and he (I honestly think so) looked at me like he didn't know my full name, what I do on the project (a fair bit in the county we were both standing in) — but I have a feeling he knew exactly who I am — and even what I was about to ask him, but he acted very nonchalant. Super nonchalant. Very nice man. I asked him what sort of GIS / mapping data the state uses for fire data: parcels, "back roads," the sorts of gates where they have a key or a code (because they are the fire department) and it was like I was a guy holding a grenade and asking the combination to Fort Knox (where, supposedly, a great deal of gold is locked up). Totally "we don't talk about our map data." Just shut me down like that. He knew what I was asking, and that I wanted to somehow get it into OSM and it was like "talk to the hand, son..." just a total wall of "yes, we might be the state and we might have 'open data' (sunshine) laws in California and I know you want me to talk about this stuff, but it ain't gonna happen." He was as friendly as could be, gave me his business card and everything, but he shut me down so effectively it befuddled me like I've never been befuddled before. Now, I know for a fact that CalFire has (and uses and updates and improves...) some serious, serious map data. Could I, as a "simple citizen" have access to it? Um, to what again? What are you talking about? It was surreal. The answer was either "no" before I asked the question, or whenever I did ask a specific question it was "what are you talking about?" in such a skilled way I was derailed at every step. This guy was a master of deception that such map data even exists (but of course it does) and he did it while smiling at me like the nicest guy at the grocery store, and even gave me his business card. That guy is slick. I was bamboozled totally. Moral of the story is that I doubt OSM will ever have access to those fire / emergency geo data (and they are necessarily very high quality), and I don't know what wizardry by which that happens (as we ARE an "open data" (sunshine) state, with "public" data), yet this stuff seems locked up tighter than a bank vault. So, it's interesting how all of this stuff works. I have found that "some" bureaucracies (e.g. county GIS departments) KNOW there is going to be some overlap with "their" (our) data and OSM (indeed, I do keep such datasets fairly synced, especially as they update / improve). But for the ultra-high-quality emergency-services geo data? Those seem to be kept on the top shelf of a locked cabinet in a room I can't enter. I suppose that's OK, but in some sense, it doesn't feel OK. I mean, in a "public" sense, those are my (our) data. Are they sensitive, and therefore out of my reach? Wow, it sure seems like it, in a big, big way. So, sometimes "we use theirs," and sometimes "they use ours" (I've seen and participated in the former and noticed that they participate in the latter) — which is cool, because over years, the data "get better towards each other" — but other times, "never the twain shall meet." Quite intentionally. I'm sure there are good reasons for this, and it's legal, of course. And such people are trained to "talk about it" by "not talking about it" in that skilled way he did, it was amazing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi Graeme - this is exactly what I was thinking about in my question earlier - make mapping part of the job. Also great to hear OSMAnd+ in there (my choice of personal navigator for offline missions in both Australia and Norway ) Also want to touch on a point Ewen made. I was at Taylors crossing (Vic, on this patch: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-36.8418/147.6456) in the 2019/20 summer. No EMS is coming there - and comms are super flaky between Benambra and Corryong - that whole region. A lot of common ground with the linked talk. It makes a lot of sense to spend EMS time mapping things that are relevant for offline use later - IMO far more effective use of funding than infrastructure which then needs protecting to support apps / services which may fail offline. Relevant to this, I'm looking for the next career, I'd be super happy to work on this stuff - and likely back in Au sometime in January 23. Cheers Adam On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 06:27, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Carrying on from this discussion, just spotted this mentioned on Discord: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgk9al1rluE > > Very interesting, especially in regard to what we were talking about! > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 23:49, Ewen Hill wrote: >> >> A really great thread. Sometime early this century, the Victorian CFA used >> local brigades to confirm mapping. This became the original >> paperbasedSpatial Vision Maps. We now have the Common Operating Platform or >> EM-COP that does much the same as Graeme's QFES above but has a proprietary >> basemap. >> >>It works really well and allows updates by the Fire Behavioural Analysts >> (FBANS) and other Intel staff, BOM staff, warnings officers and local >> incident controllers as well as strike team leaders commanding 4 or so fire >> tankers. >> >> Now, if we could not put transmission towers on top of hills because there >> is one flaw in all of this. >> >> Ewen >> >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 10:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick >> wrote: >>> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Carrying on from this discussion, just spotted this mentioned on Discord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgk9al1rluE Very interesting, especially in regard to what we were talking about! Thanks Graeme On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 23:49, Ewen Hill wrote: > A really great thread. Sometime early this century, the Victorian CFA used > local brigades to confirm mapping. This became the original > paperbasedSpatial Vision Maps. We now have the Common Operating Platform or > EM-COP that does much the same as Graeme's QFES above but has a > proprietary basemap. > >It works really well and allows updates by the Fire Behavioural > Analysts (FBANS) and other Intel staff, BOM staff, warnings officers and > local incident controllers as well as strike team leaders commanding 4 or > so fire tankers. > > Now, if we could not put transmission towers on top of hills because there > is one flaw in all of this. > > Ewen > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 10:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:42, Michael Collinson wrote: >> >>> >>> I'll ask a mate in the Victoria CFA. >>> >> >> Son has a mate in Qld RFS so got him to ask last night. >> >> "It's a QFES app for iPads, that's slowly rolling out to RFS as well. >> Fully interactive, they can draw fire fronts over a map and other units can >> see it in real time. Prior to that though, they get around by GPS and mud >> maps" >> >> No more info than that, but if it's on an iPad, I'd assume it's using >> Apple Maps? & I believe Apple are starting to use OSM info? >> >> I know that when the fires were all happening, there were a lot of >> complaints that the publicly-accessible QFES maps were woeful, with regard >> to location & frequency of being updated, & they made the comment that they >> use a much better system themselves "but it would be too complicated for >> civilian viewers to understand"! :roll eyes: >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > > > -- > Warm Regards > > Ewen Hill > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
A really great thread. Sometime early this century, the Victorian CFA used local brigades to confirm mapping. This became the original paperbasedSpatial Vision Maps. We now have the Common Operating Platform or EM-COP that does much the same as Graeme's QFES above but has a proprietary basemap. It works really well and allows updates by the Fire Behavioural Analysts (FBANS) and other Intel staff, BOM staff, warnings officers and local incident controllers as well as strike team leaders commanding 4 or so fire tankers. Now, if we could not put transmission towers on top of hills because there is one flaw in all of this. Ewen On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 10:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:42, Michael Collinson wrote: > >> >> I'll ask a mate in the Victoria CFA. >> > > Son has a mate in Qld RFS so got him to ask last night. > > "It's a QFES app for iPads, that's slowly rolling out to RFS as well. > Fully interactive, they can draw fire fronts over a map and other units can > see it in real time. Prior to that though, they get around by GPS and mud > maps" > > No more info than that, but if it's on an iPad, I'd assume it's using > Apple Maps? & I believe Apple are starting to use OSM info? > > I know that when the fires were all happening, there were a lot of > complaints that the publicly-accessible QFES maps were woeful, with regard > to location & frequency of being updated, & they made the comment that they > use a much better system themselves "but it would be too complicated for > civilian viewers to understand"! :roll eyes: > > Thanks > > Graeme > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Warm Regards Ewen Hill ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 20:42, Michael Collinson wrote: > > I'll ask a mate in the Victoria CFA. > Son has a mate in Qld RFS so got him to ask last night. "It's a QFES app for iPads, that's slowly rolling out to RFS as well. Fully interactive, they can draw fire fronts over a map and other units can see it in real time. Prior to that though, they get around by GPS and mud maps" No more info than that, but if it's on an iPad, I'd assume it's using Apple Maps? & I believe Apple are starting to use OSM info? I know that when the fires were all happening, there were a lot of complaints that the publicly-accessible QFES maps were woeful, with regard to location & frequency of being updated, & they made the comment that they use a much better system themselves "but it would be too complicated for civilian viewers to understand"! :roll eyes: Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Not a bad idea at all, Adam, but I think most of them would be too busy doing their job at the time, to worry too much about mapping! Thanks Graeme On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 01:09, Adam Steer wrote: > Hi, great to see OSM in the emergency management space. Alex (or > anyone) - what's your feel on EMS users also contributing to OSM? is > there awareness around, say, heading to the field with OSMand+ and > adding temporary closures if they're relevant (eg this bridge is going > to be closed for months, lets flag it). > > And what training is missing for people to do that? (do the OSM > community think its a good idea even?) > > ...these are super naive questions and have probably been discussed a > lot already. It would be great to get a 'current impression'. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 16:37, Michael Collinson wrote: > > > > Graeme, > > You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. > > > > Yes, use and of use. Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a > small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps > Android apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer > roads ... which bit do I want to aim for? Either by visual indication or by > searching then routing. > > > > Mike > > > > On 2022-08-26 04:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, > particularly for rural areas? > > > > Does anybody use them & are they of any use? > > > > Thanks > > > > Graeme > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information > >> Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and > Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and > finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. > >> > >> > >> > >> Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: > >> > >> The price is right, free! > >> Good coverage of health facilities > >> > >> > >> > >> Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps > >> > >> Find a police station (SA Police) > https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via > ESRI) > >> > >> > >> > >> And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA > government mapping > >> > >> Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 > >> > >> > >> > >> My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are > plenty of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what > they want, which we are probably willing to map. > >> > >> > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Talk-au mailing list > >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Thanks for confirmation, fellas! On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 21:12, David Wales via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I use them in Organic Maps for my personal navigation! > & me in OSMAnd for mine! On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 00:37, Michael Collinson wrote: > Graeme, > You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. > > Yes, use and of use ... definitely of use particularly on longer roads > ... which bit do I want to aim for? Either by visual indication or by > searching then routing. > Yep, when you're looking for somewhere on This Road, & your options are the intersections of Another Road & Different Road, 20k apart, it makes things a bit hard! :-( I don't know if people like ambo's & Rural Firies are in the same boat though? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi, great to see OSM in the emergency management space. Alex (or anyone) - what's your feel on EMS users also contributing to OSM? is there awareness around, say, heading to the field with OSMand+ and adding temporary closures if they're relevant (eg this bridge is going to be closed for months, lets flag it). And what training is missing for people to do that? (do the OSM community think its a good idea even?) ...these are super naive questions and have probably been discussed a lot already. It would be great to get a 'current impression'. Thanks, Adam On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 16:37, Michael Collinson wrote: > > Graeme, > You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. > > Yes, use and of use. Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a > small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps Android > apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer roads ... > which bit do I want to aim for? Either by visual indication or by searching > then routing. > > Mike > > On 2022-08-26 04:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, > particularly for rural areas? > > Does anybody use them & are they of any use? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information >> Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency >> Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few >> “OpenStreetMap used here”. >> >> >> >> Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: >> >> The price is right, free! >> Good coverage of health facilities >> >> >> >> Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps >> >> Find a police station (SA Police) >> https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via >> ESRI) >> >> >> >> And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA >> government mapping >> >> Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 >> >> >> >> My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of >> users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, >> which we are probably willing to map. >> >> >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Graeme, You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. Yes, use and of use. Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps Android apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer roads ... which bit do I want to aim for? Either by visual indication or by searching then routing. Mike On 2022-08-26 04:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, particularly for rural areas? Does anybody use them & are they of any use? Thanks Graeme On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims wrote: Hi, I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: * The price is right, free! * Good coverage of health facilities Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps * Find a police station (SA Police) https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI) And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government mapping * Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, which we are probably willing to map. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
On 26 August 2022 12:15:54 pm AEST, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, >particularly for rural areas? > >Does anybody use them & are they of any use? I use them in Organic Maps for my personal navigation! David___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi, Comments from lunchtime * Someone in my walking group is a keen mapper and always correcting things * In Victoria there is great open data (data.vic.gov.au) so less need * Great contribution to the community * How do you run on no money and no staff? Alex From: Phil Wyatt Date: Friday, 26 August 2022 at 12:13 pm To: Alex Sims , 'talk-au OSM -' Subject: RE: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA Well done Alex, Events such as that are a great opportunity to chat to folks about opening up their data so we can have complete coverage. I notice that many of the Police Station points (especially remote ones) are missing in OSM but it also looks like some of their pins could also be inaccurate. Given that lots of government agencies are also ESRI clients they could also make them available as part of ‘Community Maps Data Sharing Program’ with a suitable licence and then they would become available in the RapID editor https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-living-atlas/mapping/community-maps-data-sharing/ Cheers - Phil From: Alex Sims Sent: Friday, 26 August 2022 11:34 AM To: talk-au OSM - Subject: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA Hi, I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: * The price is right, free! * Good coverage of health facilities Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps * Find a police station (SA Police) https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI) And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government mapping * Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, which we are probably willing to map. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Well done Alex, Events such as that are a great opportunity to chat to folks about opening up their data so we can have complete coverage. I notice that many of the Police Station points (especially remote ones) are missing in OSM but it also looks like some of their pins could also be inaccurate. Given that lots of government agencies are also ESRI clients they could also make them available as part of 'Community Maps Data Sharing Program' with a suitable licence and then they would become available in the RapID editor https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-living-atlas/mapping/commun ity-maps-data-sharing/ Cheers - Phil From: Alex Sims Sent: Friday, 26 August 2022 11:34 AM To: talk-au OSM - Subject: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA Hi, I'm at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few "OpenStreetMap used here". Feedback from participants I've spoken to: * The price is right, free! * Good coverage of health facilities Uses of OpenStreetMap I've not noticed before, mainly background maps * Find a police station (SA Police) https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI) And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government mapping * Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 My own observation and I suppose the reason I'm here is there are plenty of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, which we are probably willing to map. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, particularly for rural areas? Does anybody use them & are they of any use? Thanks Graeme On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims wrote: > Hi, > > > > I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information > Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and > Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and > finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. > > > > Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: > >- The price is right, free! >- Good coverage of health facilities > > > > Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps > >- Find a police station (SA Police) >https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station >(via ESRI) > > > > And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA > government mapping > >- Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 > > > > My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty > of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they > want, which we are probably willing to map. > > > > Alex > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Great feedback Alex! Always great working with government on projects. It's a two-way street. If agencies have spatial datasets to share, they should consider publishing on https://data.sa.gov.au/ with an ODbL compatible licence, or CC-BY-4.0 with waiver. The more data they provide for common good, the more the OSM community can map with them. On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims wrote: > Hi, > > > > I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information > Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and > Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and > finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. > > > > Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: > >- The price is right, free! >- Good coverage of health facilities > > > > Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps > >- Find a police station (SA Police) >https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station >(via ESRI) > > > > And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA > government mapping > >- Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 > > > > My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty > of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they > want, which we are probably willing to map. > > > > Alex > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Hi, I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: * The price is right, free! * Good coverage of health facilities Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps * Find a police station (SA Police) https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI) And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government mapping * Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490 My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, which we are probably willing to map. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
