Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Nev W]

Hi
this is complete now for Qld.
When the boundary=forest get rendered, it should help to improve landuse and 
landcover mapping. 
The landuse=forest makes it difficult to map separate natural and plantation 
areas within a forest and see it rendered.
I came across a few duplicate overlapping landuses within in the forests so I 
changed the tagging for these to landcover=trees + plantation=yes. 
Hopefully the messiness in these things get resolved to everyones satisfaction 
eventually.  
I notice that that gas extraction seems to be the main activity in many of the 
State Forests in southern Qld west of the ranges until the trees regrow.
Nev
> Hi, I want to check the boundaries of the Qld State Forests and Timber 
> Reserves which are included in the Protected areas of Qld dataset of 2022 
> which we have explicit permission to use.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources#Queensland 
>  
>  >
> Both boundaries are legislated under the Forestry Act 1959.
> 
> The tags I intend to use are as follows, and introduce the new 
> boundary=forest tag which will hopefully be rendered on the Standard layer 
> with more use:
> 
> attribution=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
> boundary=forest
> governance_type=government
> landuse=forest
> name=xx State Forest or Timber Reserve
> operator=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
> protection_title=State Forest or Timber Reserve
> ref:paoq:sysintcode=3406TBF001
> source=Protected areas of Queensland - boundaries - 2022
> type=boundary (for the multi-polygons only) 
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dforest 
>  
>  >
> 
> If requested I can post the ogr2osm translation file and the .osm data file.
> 
> Nev

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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Little Maps]

> On 13 Sep 2022, at 8:53 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Usually the type of tree - not a native to oz = Radiata pine and Southern 
> Pine.
> Apparently some are using Hoop Pine .. native to oz ... so not 100% accurate 
> .. but would get most of them?
> 
There are enormous areas of blue gum plantation in W Vic and SE SA, plus Pinus 
radiata. Spotted gum is planted elsewhere too. Species or genus are great tags 
to add where known, but having a generic tag that encompasses all plantations, 
such as plantation=yes or equivalent, makes a very simple way to search for all 
planted forestry areas. See for example, the tagging here:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11661722#map=13/-37.4429/141.5230
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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Warin]

On 13/9/22 19:56, Little Maps wrote:

On 13 Sep 2022, at 6:01 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

There are some 'private' forestry areas too, at least in NSW ... these are 
visible as they are not native and in organized rows, so easy to identify.

Heaps in W Vic too. As state govts move from timber harvesting in native 
forests to plantation based forestry it’ll become increasingly important to 
have a robust tagging scheme to differentiate native forests from plantations. 
The informal tag “plantation=yes” is widely used in SW WA and W Vic, albeit by 
a small number of editors. I’m not aware of a formal tag that conveys the same 
information.



Usually the type of tree - not a native to oz = Radiata pine and 
Southern Pine.



Apparently some are using Hoop Pine .. native to oz ... so not 100% 
accurate .. but would get most of them?



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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Little Maps]

> On 13 Sep 2022, at 6:01 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There are some 'private' forestry areas too, at least in NSW ... these are 
> visible as they are not native and in organized rows, so easy to identify.

Heaps in W Vic too. As state govts move from timber harvesting in native 
forests to plantation based forestry it’ll become increasingly important to 
have a robust tagging scheme to differentiate native forests from plantations. 
The informal tag “plantation=yes” is widely used in SW WA and W Vic, albeit by 
a small number of editors. I’m not aware of a formal tag that conveys the same 
information.
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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Warin]

On 12/9/22 19:34, Little Maps wrote:

Nev, great initiative. I’ve been contemplating how the new boundary=forest 
could be used in Vic and S NSW. Rather than view it a tag to use in addition to 
land use=forest, I saw it as a useful replacement.
By replacing landuse=forest with boundary = forest, we could generate State 
Forest (SF) tenure boundaries, similar to conservation reserves, and remove all 
ambiguity about whether landuse=forest infers a vegetation type (forest/wood), 
a landuse (forestry) or a tenure (State Forest). (It means all 3 things to 
different people). We could then accurately map SF tenures independent of 
vegetation type and (perhaps?) the finer-scale mapping of actual landuse.
We could also more accurately map vegetation types in SFs, whereas atm, it’s a 
complete mess to map scrub, grassland, etc in SFs, especially where they cross 
SF boundaries. Also, it clearly acknowledges that only a small part of many SFs 
is actually used (and can be used) for timber production.
It seems to me we have a fantastic opportunity to greatly reduce the horrendous 
vagaries that are implicit in landuse=forest across Aus SFs if we use 
boundary=forest to apply to tenure, and natural=wood, scrub, etc to apply to 
the vegetation type, within SFs. In reality, we have little way of mapping 
which parts of many SFs are available for logging unless we import far more 
detailed datasets from gov agencies.
I look forward to other thoughts on the matter. Cheers Ian



There are some 'private' forestry areas too, at least in NSW ... these 
are visible as they are not native and in organized rows, so easy to 
identify.



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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Little Maps]

> Nev, great initiative. I’ve been contemplating how the new boundary=forest 
> could be used in Vic and S NSW. Rather than view it a tag to use in addition 
> to land use=forest, I saw it as a useful replacement.

> By replacing landuse=forest with boundary = forest, we could generate State 
> Forest (SF) tenure boundaries, similar to conservation reserves, and remove 
> all ambiguity about whether landuse=forest infers a vegetation type 
> (forest/wood), a landuse (forestry) or a tenure (State Forest). (It means all 
> 3 things to different people). We could then accurately map SF tenures 
> independent of vegetation type and (perhaps?) the finer-scale mapping of 
> actual landuse.

> We could also more accurately map vegetation types in SFs, whereas atm, it’s 
> a complete mess to map scrub, grassland, etc in SFs, especially where they 
> cross SF boundaries. Also, it clearly acknowledges that only a small part of 
> many SFs is actually used (and can be used) for timber production.

> It seems to me we have a fantastic opportunity to greatly reduce the 
> horrendous vagaries that are implicit in landuse=forest across Aus SFs if we 
> use boundary=forest to apply to tenure, and natural=wood, scrub, etc to apply 
> to the vegetation type, within SFs. In reality, we have little way of mapping 
> which parts of many SFs are available for logging unless we import far more 
> detailed datasets from gov agencies.

> I look forward to other thoughts on the matter. Cheers Ian

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[talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Nev W]

Yes, happy to add produce=timber to the State Forests. Timber Reserves not 
productive yet and may be used otherwise in future.

Interesting that landuse=forestry should not be used on relations. Most state 
forests are mapped as multipolygon relations.
I prefer to leave landuse=forest for now, but do prefer to change to 
landuse=forestry if OSM contributors decide that is most suitable solution.  

> On 12 Sep 2022, at 4:55 pm, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If intended to produce timber then 
> 
> produce=timber
> 
> Also consider a duplicate with landuse=forestry ... see 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforestry 
>  This is an 
> attempt to get away for the 'tree cover' use by others. 
> 

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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Warin]

On 12/9/22 14:57, Nev W wrote:
Hi, I want to check the boundaries of the Qld State Forests and Timber 
Reserves which are included in the Protected areas of Qld dataset of 
2022 which we have explicit permission to use.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources#Queensland
Both boundaries are legislated under the Forestry Act 1959.

The tags I intend to use are as follows, and introduce the new 
boundary=forest tag which will hopefully be rendered on the Standard 
layer with more use:


attribution=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
boundary=forest
governance_type=government
landuse=forest
name=xx State Forest or Timber Reserve
operator=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
protection_title=State Forest or Timber Reserve
ref:paoq:sysintcode=3406TBF001
source=Protected areas of Queensland - boundaries - 2022
type=boundary (for the multi-polygons only)



If intended to produce timber then

produce=timber

Also consider a duplicate with landuse=forestry ... see 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforestry This is an 
attempt to get away for the 'tree cover' use by others.
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[talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Nev W]

Hi, I want to check the boundaries of the Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves 
which are included in the Protected areas of Qld dataset of 2022 which we have 
explicit permission to use.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources#Queensland 

Both boundaries are legislated under the Forestry Act 1959.

The tags I intend to use are as follows, and introduce the new boundary=forest 
tag which will hopefully be rendered on the Standard layer with more use:

attribution=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
boundary=forest
governance_type=government
landuse=forest
name=xx State Forest or Timber Reserve
operator=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
protection_title=State Forest or Timber Reserve
ref:paoq:sysintcode=3406TBF001
source=Protected areas of Queensland - boundaries - 2022
type=boundary (for the multi-polygons only) 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dforest 


If requested I can post the ogr2osm translation file and the .osm data file.

Nev

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