Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Sam Couter
Liz  wrote:
> Your "problem" John, is that you are confusing educating people with 
> providing 
> them with a "School Certificate" or whatever

I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.
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Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Sam Couter
b.schulz...@scu.edu.au  wrote:
> If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a maths lesson I'm all 
> ears too.

My high school maths touched on surveying, which is all geometry and
trigonometry. Map your school, the nearby playing field or shops or
whatever and calculate boundary lengths or areas of various features.

For senior high school students, what about studying a bit of the maths
involved in GPS? Techniques used in triangulation and estimating error,
for example. You may want to include relativistic effects such as
frequency shifts and time corrections for your best students.
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Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith

--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Liz  wrote:

> Yes, it would be a great way to teach kids about their
> world, to look at it, 
> to describe it, to measure it but how can we make this fit
> with the 
> curriculum?

Considering numerous next generation teachers, and some of the existing ones 
can't spell I suppose there is no hope for other subjects to think outside of 
the square...


  

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Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Liz
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
> I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that
> normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of
> stuff that could be done in this area.
>
> Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was walking
> through a shopping centre today and that side of things came to mind where
> you normally can't get GPS signal but they could measure out the shop
> fronts using another method and extrapolating from known positions outside
> where you can get a good gps signal.
>
> There is almost endless amounts of refinement and mapping that could be
> done, and would cross disciplines from geography to architecture to history
> even, since you can get copies of old maps and see how towns grew over
> time.


Your "problem" John, is that you are confusing educating people with providing 
them with a "School Certificate" or whatever

Yes, it would be a great way to teach kids about their world, to look at it, 
to describe it, to measure it but how can we make this fit with the 
curriculum?


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Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith

--- On Thu, 9/7/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au  wrote:

> I'm starting as a maths teacher
> next year and will certainly be mentioning it to the
> geography teachers in passing ;). The hard bit will be
> relating it to the syllabus so it's not a waste of
> time.
> 
> Obviously it would be an excellent exercise for geography
> students to do, but unless the syllabus allows for first
> hand cartography a teacher would really need to twist some
> arms to justify using class time for it.
> 
> If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a
> maths lesson I'm all ears too.

I'll paste below a reply I received because I cross posted to the main talk 
list at the same time, along with my reply.

--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Peter Childs  wrote:

> Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or
> A-Level in
> Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught
> subject.
> 
> It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right
> or as Part
> of "Technical Drawing", Its not that it can't be included
> as part of
> Geography its just there is more than enough material for a
> separate
> subject and its much ignored.

I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that 
normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of stuff 
that could be done in this area.

Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was walking through 
a shopping centre today and that side of things came to mind where you normally 
can't get GPS signal but they could measure out the shop fronts using another 
method and extrapolating from known positions outside where you can get a good 
gps signal.

There is almost endless amounts of refinement and mapping that could be done, 
and would cross disciplines from geography to architecture to history even, 
since you can get copies of old maps and see how towns grew over time.


  

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Re: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread b . schulz . 10
I'm starting as a maths teacher next year and will certainly be mentioning it 
to the geography teachers in passing ;). The hard bit will be relating it to 
the syllabus so it's not a waste of time.

Obviously it would be an excellent exercise for geography students to do, but 
unless the syllabus allows for first hand cartography a teacher would really 
need to twist some arms to justify using class time for it.

If anybody's got ideas on how to incorporate it into a maths lesson I'm all 
ears too.

Brent

- Original Message -
From: John Smith 
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: [talk-au] A possible way to promote OSM
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> 
> Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible 
> way to promote OSM, geography students.
> 
> I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing 
> a little cartography :)
> 
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