Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
David Murn wrote: > I think slipway is the British term. From the leisure=slipway wiki > page: Yes, I'm happy now that they're using the term to apply to both types of boat launching facility. Anyhow, I've changed the tagging to show "highway=service" to the approximate high water mark, then "leisure=slipway" for the couple of hundred metres of way from there down to the present water level. And I've tagged the joining node as "leisure=slipway" as well. If I want to draw attention to the fact that the "slipway" tag needs to apply to significantly-long ways as well as to nodes, where's the appropriate place to do that? John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Murn wrote: > This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or > campsite, why not to a boatramp? Of course. I would have something like: =|--- where: = is highway=service - is waterway=slipway (or whatever the tag is) | is the water line. Not sure whether a junction matters. > I thought the tagging system was meant to be consistent, before being > flexible. If everyone tags boatramps in their own 'flexible' way, how > is any renderer supposed to know what to do, for every possible variant? Indeed. I didn't mean to start the whole philosophical debate about tagging again. > I believe it should be discussed in here, and the general consensus > should be applied when tagging, rather than everyone going off with > their own idea. I didn't mean for "everyone to go off with their own idea". Rather, if the current definition is too limiting, improve that, and document it in the central location, and use the new definition. Since you're documenting it in the central location, there is still only "one idea", unless someone disagrees with you, at which point you can work towards consensus. Just don't wait, and avoid tagging at all, simply because the definitions are inadequate. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On 21/01/2010, at 9:35 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I would suggest tagging the way "leisure=slipway". If you need to > break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki > page. Tagging it "highway=service" seems wrong. Service roads do not > go underwater... > > The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect > changing requirements, after all. I've tagged about five or six boat ramps about the place, and it wasn't until I read these emails that I even considered putting it on just the a single node. I found the wiki page a while back and started applying it to ways, without realising it said otherwise. Ah consistency. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 16:53 +1100, John Henderson wrote: > How about tagging boat ramps as: > > highway=service > service=boat_ramp > > I think a slipway is different from a boat ramp. I know a slipway as a > track (perhaps with rollers) for launching boats and for winching them > ashore for repairs. I think slipway is the British term. From the leisure=slipway wiki page: >> A slipway is a ramp into the water for launching a boat. In Australia >> they are referred to as boat ramps. In the US they are often referred >> to as boat landings as well as boat ramps. >> They are typically simply a concrete ramp at the end of an access >> road or track into the water. The boat owner backs a vehicle with a >> boat trailer down the ramp until the trailer is in the water and >> floats the boat off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 13:51 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > 2010/1/21 David Murn : > > Also, from the wiki for 'service': > > "Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, > > campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. > > > > This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or > > campsite, why not to a boatramp? > > A service road can lead to a boat ramp. But the boat ramp itself is > not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp > starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading. > > Don't worry if it doesn't currently render. Record it in the > database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later. It does currently render in osmarender. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-35.64913&lon=150.14393&zoom=17&layers=0B00FTF is a couple of boat ramps Ive added near Batemans Bay, NSW as rendered by osmarender. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
Stephen Hope wrote: > A service road can lead to a boat ramp. But the boat ramp itself is > not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp > starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading. > > Don't worry if it doesn't currently render. Record it in the > database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later. How about tagging boat ramps as: highway=service service=boat_ramp I think a slipway is different from a boat ramp. I know a slipway as a track (perhaps with rollers) for launching boats and for winching them ashore for repairs. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
2010/1/21 Stephen Hope : > A service road can lead to a boat ramp. But the boat ramp itself is > not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp > starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading. Assuming you don't go head over tail on the ramp and do an injury first :) > Don't worry if it doesn't currently render. Record it in the > database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later. The more popular a tag is the more likely it will be to render as well. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
2010/1/21 David Murn : > Also, from the wiki for 'service': > "Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, > campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. > > This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or > campsite, why not to a boatramp? A service road can lead to a boat ramp. But the boat ramp itself is not a point, it's a line. It's usually pretty clear where the ramp starts - where it ends is usually harder to find unless you go wading. Don't worry if it doesn't currently render. Record it in the database, and then we can hassle the renderers to support it later. SLH ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
Steve Bennett wrote: > I would suggest tagging the way "leisure=slipway". If you need to > break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki > page. Tagging it "highway=service" seems wrong. Service roads do not > go underwater... > > The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect > changing requirements, after all. That was my initial thinking. When I tagged it like that, it didn't render of course. And I thought it important for a boat ramp to show up. If only "highway=ford" rendered. But that's not right for a boat ramp either. Do you mean make a note on the Australian Tagging Guidelines and tag the way as "leisure=slipway"? As a traffic way, it really should have a "highway=*" tag, shouldn't it? John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 10:35 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Henderson wrote: > > Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than > > extending a "highway=service" out into the water? The "leisure=slipway" > > tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways. > > I would suggest tagging the way "leisure=slipway". If you need to > break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki > page. Tagging it "highway=service" seems wrong. Service roads do not > go underwater. So, where should it terminate, before the water? Or at a junction with the polygon? Neither of these choices is really suitable, so leading a way into the water seems the best option to me. Also, from the wiki for 'service': "Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or campsite, why not to a boatramp? > The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect > changing requirements, after all. I thought the tagging system was meant to be consistent, before being flexible. If everyone tags boatramps in their own 'flexible' way, how is any renderer supposed to know what to do, for every possible variant? I believe it should be discussed in here, and the general consensus should be applied when tagging, rather than everyone going off with their own idea. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > I would suggest tagging the way "leisure=slipway". If you need to > break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki > page. Yeah, how strange that a slipWAY can supposedly only apply to a NODE. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Henderson wrote: > Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than > extending a "highway=service" out into the water? The "leisure=slipway" > tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways. I would suggest tagging the way "leisure=slipway". If you need to break the current specification to do so, then make a note on the wiki page. Tagging it "highway=service" seems wrong. Service roads do not go underwater... The tagging system is supposed to be flexible and updated to reflect changing requirements, after all. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
I generally extend the highway=service into the water. - Ben. 2010/1/20 John Henderson > Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than > extending a "highway=service" out into the water? The "leisure=slipway" > tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways. > > Inland impoundments can have long boat ramps because the water levels > can vary so much. This link shows the length of ramp that's currently > exposed at Lake Burrinjuck: > http://www.osm.org/?lat=-34.982064&lon=148.624566&zoom=18 > > I've also tagged the node at the high water mark as "leisure=slipway". > > John H > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
Speaking of boat ramps, did anyone end up doing anything with the SA boat ramp and boating obstacles data? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boat ramp
Hi John, Ive been tagging a few boatramps lately, and your suggestion is basically exactly what Ive been doing, but I have also wondered if it is the best method, and had a few questions. Firstly, leisure=slipway works fine for most cases of boatramps, but some boatramps arent 'leisure', for example a water-police or navy boat ramp or a boat ramp setup near a dry dock. These ramps are still slipway's but dont fit the leisure category. Maybe an access= tag or something might be appropriate. Secondly, Ive wondered (like you), how exactly to map them. Should they be mapped right to the waters edge, or should they continue down past the waterline, the same way the actual ramp does? Im aware there are issues with people attaching ways to polygon/relations, so Ive been extending the way over the polygon and into the waterway. Ive been mapping a few ramps around Canberra, and have come across a few different uses. Ive also noticed some areas have rowing pontoons setup in the lake, which are the same as a boat ramp, but they run at ground level while the boatramp disappears under the water. These arent really slipways, but what else is appropriate? Some sort of sport=rowing amenity=pontoon or something, comes to mind. David On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 09:02 +1100, John Henderson wrote: > Has anyone got a better suggestion for showing a boat ramp than > extending a "highway=service" out into the water? The "leisure=slipway" > tag is meant to apply to nodes, not ways. > > Inland impoundments can have long boat ramps because the water levels > can vary so much. This link shows the length of ramp that's currently > exposed at Lake Burrinjuck: > http://www.osm.org/?lat=-34.982064&lon=148.624566&zoom=18 > > I've also tagged the node at the high water mark as "leisure=slipway". > > John H > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
