Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
Ok. Think most of this is done from the view point of LPI Base Map and Strava. Where they coexist I have chosen to use Strava and it might be better then LPI. I have added a ferry route from the LPI Base Map to the H&H ... probably the low water route. There are a few sections that could be joined easily using existing roads. There is a section I could add as it leads past a camp site. I have left these out as those who use the track can easily add the detail as they find it rather than rely on my 'suspicions'. I will probably leave the H&H alone for others to contemplate. There are a lot of tracks for me to add in the Bargo SF. On 21-Feb-17 01:54 PM, John Henderson wrote: I haven't walked those sections between Blowering Dam and Tumbarumba, so I'm happy to trust your judgement. I'm still hoping to map more one day on foot with GPS. If I do, I'll revisit OSM, as I always do when I got good traces. John On 21/02/17 11:30, Warin wrote: For comparison of the data I have added; Way: 475962239 - LPI path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475962239#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 Way 475966488 - Strava path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475966488#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 OSM H&H presently in that area; Way 285630127 and Way: 248788644 + many others http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/285630127#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248788644#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 I am inclined to go with the strava as that has more than one source/person (I hope). Where that is lacking then the LIP data. I am depreciating the present OSM data as it comes from one person and no source is stated .. I think it is an indication - better than a total lack of data, but there are now better sources. - I think leaving all 3 is not helpful. But what to remove and and why is a judgement call that would be made from one area to another. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
I haven't walked those sections between Blowering Dam and Tumbarumba, so I'm happy to trust your judgement. I'm still hoping to map more one day on foot with GPS. If I do, I'll revisit OSM, as I always do when I got good traces. John On 21/02/17 11:30, Warin wrote: For comparison of the data I have added; Way: 475962239 - LPI path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475962239#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 Way 475966488 - Strava path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475966488#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 OSM H&H presently in that area; Way 285630127 and Way: 248788644 + many others http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/285630127#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248788644#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 I am inclined to go with the strava as that has more than one source/person (I hope). Where that is lacking then the LIP data. I am depreciating the present OSM data as it comes from one person and no source is stated .. I think it is an indication - better than a total lack of data, but there are now better sources. - I think leaving all 3 is not helpful. But what to remove and and why is a judgement call that would be made from one area to another. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
For comparison of the data I have added; Way: 475962239 - LPI path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475962239#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 Way 475966488 - Strava path - probably H&H http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/475966488#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 OSM H&H presently in that area; Way 285630127 and Way: 248788644 + many others http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/285630127#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248788644#map=16/-35.6419/148.2472 I am inclined to go with the strava as that has more than one source/person (I hope). Where that is lacking then the LIP data. I am depreciating the present OSM data as it comes from one person and no source is stated .. I think it is an indication - better than a total lack of data, but there are now better sources. - I think leaving all 3 is not helpful. But what to remove and and why is a judgement call that would be made from one area to another. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
On 21-Feb-17 06:10 AM, John Henderson wrote: On 20/02/17 20:49, Warin wrote: I'd no be worried by 10 m ... the differences are ~100 metres in places. Might be more in some places too .. have not been measuring .. just concerned at the differences. It could be as simple as running off a map and going a bit off the official course as 'it looks better'. I mapped the area around Burrinjuck Dam during the last big drought. So I've got the track going well out into where the water is now, and to where walkers got on and off the boat at that time. Looks odd on the hiking map with the dam showing as full, especially at the southern end, on the Goodradigbee River to the north of Wee Jasper. There are many tracks that 'go into' lakes Not worried by them. Here is an example Way: 285828626 - a track source Bing If you compare it to the LPI Base map zoomed in to a scale of 100m in JOSM you will find that path heading north about halfway along the track. Around -35.75557/148.16232 I thing the H&H is the path shown on LPI ... not the present OSM shown route. If LPI is correct and you followed OSM .. there might be a fair bit of true bushwalking. To further confuse things .. Strava shows paths/tracks used in that area ... but not the LPI path nor the OSM H&H trail. I am inclined to; map the LPI data .. as the H&H where I think it is appropriate. map the strava stuff ... as a track. remove the present OSM H&H where it looks to be replaced by either the OSM or strava data. But I am still thinking about it, I don't like removing stuff! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
"I mapped the area around Burrinjuck Dam during the last big drought. So I've got the track going well out into where the water is now, and to where walkers got on and off the boat at that time. Looks odd on the hiking map with the dam showing as full, especially at the southern end, on the Goodradigbee River to the north of Wee Jasper" My BiL was down Jindabyne area on holidays last year & one day they took a drive around the lake. At one spot they drove down to the lake edge, but their GPS was saying they were actually underwater! Thanks Graeme On 21 February 2017 at 05:10, John Henderson wrote: > On 20/02/17 20:49, Warin wrote: > > I'd no be worried by 10 m ... the differences are ~100 metres in >> places. Might be more in some places too .. have not been measuring >> .. just concerned at the differences. It could be as simple as >> running off a map and going a bit off the official course as 'it >> looks better'. >> > > I mapped the area around Burrinjuck Dam during the last big drought. So > I've got the track going well out into where the water is now, and to > where walkers got on and off the boat at that time. > > Looks odd on the hiking map with the dam showing as full, especially at > the southern end, on the Goodradigbee River to the north of Wee Jasper. > > John > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
On 20/02/17 20:49, Warin wrote: I'd no be worried by 10 m ... the differences are ~100 metres in places. Might be more in some places too .. have not been measuring .. just concerned at the differences. It could be as simple as running off a map and going a bit off the official course as 'it looks better'. I mapped the area around Burrinjuck Dam during the last big drought. So I've got the track going well out into where the water is now, and to where walkers got on and off the boat at that time. Looks odd on the hiking map with the dam showing as full, especially at the southern end, on the Goodradigbee River to the north of Wee Jasper. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
On 20-Feb-17 03:22 PM, John Henderson wrote: On 20/02/17 14:52, Warin wrote: Anyone with any experience Hume and Hovel Walking Track? I did the original entry of the section from Yass through Wee Jasper to Brindabella Road years ago. The data came from my Garmin 60 CSx handheld GPS. My 60 Cx is still going ... not buy another until this one gives up. Trying to rig up a solar charger for it - charges the AA batteries within the unit and provides power to the unit. This way I don't have to carry around a AA battery charger nor extra batteries. May not fully charge the batteries but good enough for me - a simple system. Some areas had heavy tree cover, and cliffs nearby. So the accuracy might have blown out to ± 10 metres in a few places. I'd no be worried by 10 m ... the differences are ~100 metres in places. Might be more in some places too .. have not been measuring .. just concerned at the differences. It could be as simple as running off a map and going a bit off the official course as 'it looks better'. That section shows up on the hiking map here: https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/?zoom=7&lat=-35.9627&lon=144.96348#route?id=308594 Someone else did the work south from Brindabella Road. Tried contacting them .. no response as yet. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hume and Hovel Walking Track in the Bargo SF
On 20/02/17 14:52, Warin wrote: Anyone with any experience Hume and Hovel Walking Track? I did the original entry of the section from Yass through Wee Jasper to Brindabella Road years ago. The data came from my Garmin 60 CSx handheld GPS. Some areas had heavy tree cover, and cliffs nearby. So the accuracy might have blown out to ± 10 metres in a few places. That section shows up on the hiking map here: https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/?zoom=7&lat=-35.9627&lon=144.96348#route?id=308594 Someone else did the work south from Brindabella Road. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
