Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Hi. 2009/3/8 Franc Carter > > I assumed it is copyrighted however, so not a valid source for OSM ;-( > Yes I agree. Given the complicated nature of the boundary in this area (according to the Lands dept) I don't think copying their data without permission is a good idea (and their license would not allow this). The ABS boundary does actually disagree with the street signs though, so when the import is complete (it only has the relation for the suburb on one side of the boundary at present) I'll probably move it to be mid-way between the streets. This is a good approximation of the current "local knowledge". - Ben Kelley. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
I assumed it is copyrighted however, so not a valid source for OSM ;-( On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Narelle Irvine wrote: > The Dept of Lands database was said to be 94% correct in 2007 and > improving. > Most of their errors relate to the house numbers on a street, and I > would assume that their suburb boundaries are correct. > This data should take precendence over ABS data. > > Regards, > Narelle. > > 2009/3/8 Franc Carter : > > > > I wonder if this is because the data is/was off when it was created(2006) > or > > because the boundaries > > have changed? > > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > >> > >> Hi. > >> > >> For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" > >> http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the cadastral > >> layer. > >> > >> Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going neatly > >> down the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the > boundary > >> between 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next > street > >> south, some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. > >> > >> - Ben Kelley. > >> > >> 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley > >>> > >>> Hi. > >>> > >>> Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data > >>> disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > >>> > >>> I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but > the > >>> ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle > of my > >>> street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my house in > the > >>> next suburb over. > >>> > >>> I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out > for > >>> sure? > >>> > >>> Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in > >>> corrections? > >>> > >>> - Ben Kelley. > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Franc > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
The Dept of Lands database was said to be 94% correct in 2007 and improving. Most of their errors relate to the house numbers on a street, and I would assume that their suburb boundaries are correct. This data should take precendence over ABS data. Regards, Narelle. 2009/3/8 Franc Carter : > > I wonder if this is because the data is/was off when it was created(2006) or > because the boundaries > have changed? > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" >> http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the cadastral >> layer. >> >> Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going neatly >> down the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the boundary >> between 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next street >> south, some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. >> >> - Ben Kelley. >> >> 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data >>> disagrees with commonly known boundaries? >>> >>> I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the >>> ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my >>> street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my house in the >>> next suburb over. >>> >>> I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for >>> sure? >>> >>> Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in >>> corrections? >>> >>> - Ben Kelley. >>> >> > > > > -- > Franc > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Ask the people who live in the houses. ~Cameron 2009/3/8 > Hi Ben, > > This raises an interesting copyright question. If, from multiple sources > (Dept of Lands, UBD, ask the council/auspost etc) you can show that the ABS > boundary is wrong how do we legally correct it? Without a sign on the ground > that states the change of suburb we don't really have another "free" source > of this data. > > I wonder what the legality is of reading lots of sources then just plonking > source=knowledge in there. > > Brent > (Biogenesis_) > > > - Original Message - > From: Ben Kelley > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:48 am > Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > To: OSM Australian Talk List , Franc Carter < > franc.car...@gmail.com> > > > Hi. > > > > For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" > > http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the > > cadastrallayer. > > > > Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going > > neatly down > > the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the > > boundary between > > 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next > > street south, > > some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. > > > > - Ben Kelley. > > > > 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data > > > disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > > > > > > I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the > > data, but the > > > ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the > > middle of my > > > street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my > > house in the > > > next suburb over. > > > > > > I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to > > find out for > > > sure? > > > > > > Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be > > interested in > > > corrections? > > > > > > - Ben Kelley. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Hi Ben, This raises an interesting copyright question. If, from multiple sources (Dept of Lands, UBD, ask the council/auspost etc) you can show that the ABS boundary is wrong how do we legally correct it? Without a sign on the ground that states the change of suburb we don't really have another "free" source of this data. I wonder what the legality is of reading lots of sources then just plonking source=knowledge in there. Brent (Biogenesis_) - Original Message - From: Ben Kelley Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:48 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: OSM Australian Talk List , Franc Carter > Hi. > > For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" > http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the > cadastrallayer. > > Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going > neatly down > the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the > boundary between > 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next > street south, > some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. > > - Ben Kelley. > > 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley > > > Hi. > > > > Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data > > disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > > > > I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the > data, but the > > ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the > middle of my > > street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my > house in the > > next suburb over. > > > > I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to > find out for > > sure? > > > > Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be > interested in > > corrections? > > > > - Ben Kelley. > > > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
I wonder if this is because the data is/was off when it was created(2006) or because the boundaries have changed? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > Hi. > > For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" > http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the cadastral > layer. > > Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going neatly down > the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the boundary between > 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next street south, > some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. > > - Ben Kelley. > > 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley > > Hi. >> >> Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data >> disagrees with commonly known boundaries? >> >> I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the >> ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my >> street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my house in the >> next suburb over. >> >> I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for >> sure? >> >> Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in >> corrections? >> >> - Ben Kelley. >> >> > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import - Darwin quirk
Hmm yeah - that looks pretty odd. It *might* be more sensible once the process has finished, but I'm not holding my breath. But please make sure you wait until the upload as finished, as I believe the bulk_upload will get confuse if things have changed when it comes back to reuse those borders cheers On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jeff Price wrote: > I was reminiscing about Darwin via OSM and noticed this boundary quirk. > The boundary was created by ABS2006 on 1 Mar 09. I thought maybe the Casino > had its own boundary but its actually the creek line. > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-12.8&lon=130.84079&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF > > Franc, I presume this will be an example of the minor touch ups needed > polish of your great work? Or will the boundary probably make more sense as > the nearby suburbs populate and the boundary takes its proper shape? > > Jeff. > > > -- > *From:* Franc Carter > *To:* Ben Kelley > *Cc:* OSM Australian Talk List > *Sent:* Friday, 6 March, 2009 6:38:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > > > I only have the licensing contact - I will follow up with her and see if I > can get a content person. > > cheers > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data >> disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > > >> >> I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the >> ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my >> street (when I believe it to be one street o > > ver). This puts my house in the next suburb over. >> >> I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for >> sure? >> >> Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in >> corrections? >> >> - Ben Kelley. >> >> > > > -- > Franc > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Hi. For NSW the Lands Department's "Geospatial Portal" http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the cadastral layer. Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going neatly down the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the boundary between 1 street and 1/2 a street further south. That is, on the next street south, some houses are in my suburb, and some are in the next suburb. - Ben Kelley. 2009/3/6 Ben Kelley > Hi. > > Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data > disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > > I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the > ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my > street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my house in the > next suburb over. > > I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for > sure? > > Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in > corrections? > > - Ben Kelley. > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
I only have the licensing contact - I will follow up with her and see if I can get a content person. cheers On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > Hi. > > Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data > disagrees with commonly known boundaries? > > I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the > ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my > street (when I believe it to be one street o ver). This puts my house in the next suburb over. > > I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for > sure? > > Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in > corrections? > > - Ben Kelley. > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Hi. Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data disagrees with commonly known boundaries? I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my street (when I believe it to be one street over). This puts my house in the next suburb over. I suspect the ABS data is wrong, but any thoughts on how to find out for sure? Franc - do you have a contact at the ABS who might be interested in corrections? - Ben Kelley. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Yep, but I didn't have any luck finding a server to do it from - my inquiry on the dev list didn't get any response cheers On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Cameron wrote: > Could it be interrupted and run on a server in the UK (or even better, on > an OSM server in the same location as the db server?) > ~Cameron > > 2009/3/1 Franc Carter > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, wrote: >> >>> Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all posted :). This is rather >>> exciting! Ok, that's nerdy, but we're on OSM so it's allowed, right? >> >> >> Yeah - the latency from here to the UK is just nasty. I'll send out >> updates interesting milestones. >> >>> >>> Do you know what area it is uploading? As in, can you link to a nicely >>> rendered area once part of the upload is done? >> >> >> Not really, the upload is happening based of the order of extraction from >> a perl hash table which is effectively random >> >> cheers >> >> >>> Apologies for the disjointed writing, I should be asleep. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Franc Carter >>> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm >>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import >>> To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au >>> Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> >>> > Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from >>> > bulk_upload is >>> > 647 hours - but the estimate >>> > is still not particularly stable. >>> > >>> > cheers >>> > >>> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> > > You ripper! >>> > > >>> > > How long are we looking at for the whole import? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > - Original Message - >>> > > From: Franc Carter >>> > > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm >>> > > Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import >>> > > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" >>> > > >>> > > > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone >>> > > > until the import is complete >>> > > > >>> > > > cheers >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Franc >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > Talk-au mailing list >>> > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Franc >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Franc >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Could it be interrupted and run on a server in the UK (or even better, on an OSM server in the same location as the db server?) ~Cameron 2009/3/1 Franc Carter > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > >> Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all posted :). This is rather >> exciting! Ok, that's nerdy, but we're on OSM so it's allowed, right? > > > Yeah - the latency from here to the UK is just nasty. I'll send out updates > interesting milestones. > >> >> Do you know what area it is uploading? As in, can you link to a nicely >> rendered area once part of the upload is done? > > > Not really, the upload is happening based of the order of extraction from a > perl hash table which is effectively random > > cheers > > >> Apologies for the disjointed writing, I should be asleep. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Franc Carter >> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import >> To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au >> Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> >> > Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from >> > bulk_upload is >> > 647 hours - but the estimate >> > is still not particularly stable. >> > >> > cheers >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM, wrote: >> > >> > > You ripper! >> > > >> > > How long are we looking at for the whole import? >> > > >> > > >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Franc Carter >> > > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm >> > > Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import >> > > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" >> > > >> > > > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone >> > > > until the import is complete >> > > > >> > > > cheers >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Franc >> > > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Talk-au mailing list >> > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Franc >> > >> > > > > -- > Franc > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all posted :). This is rather > exciting! Ok, that's nerdy, but we're on OSM so it's allowed, right? Yeah - the latency from here to the UK is just nasty. I'll send out updates interesting milestones. > > Do you know what area it is uploading? As in, can you link to a nicely > rendered area once part of the upload is done? Not really, the upload is happening based of the order of extraction from a perl hash table which is effectively random cheers > Apologies for the disjointed writing, I should be asleep. > > - Original Message - > From: Franc Carter > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm > Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > > Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from > > bulk_upload is > > 647 hours - but the estimate > > is still not particularly stable. > > > > cheers > > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > > > > > You ripper! > > > > > > How long are we looking at for the whole import? > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Franc Carter > > > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm > > > Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > > > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" > > > > > > > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone > > > > until the import is complete > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Franc > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Talk-au mailing list > > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Franc > > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Wow, that's almost a month. Well, keep us all posted :). This is rather exciting! Ok, that's nerdy, but we're on OSM so it's allowed, right? Do you know what area it is uploading? As in, can you link to a nicely rendered area once part of the upload is done? Apologies for the disjointed writing, I should be asleep. - Original Message - From: Franc Carter Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from > bulk_upload is > 647 hours - but the estimate > is still not particularly stable. > > cheers > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > > > You ripper! > > > > How long are we looking at for the whole import? > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Franc Carter > > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm > > Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" > > > > > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone > > > until the import is complete > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > -- > > > Franc > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > > > -- > Franc > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from bulk_upload is 647 hours - but the estimate is still not particularly stable. cheers On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > You ripper! > > How long are we looking at for the whole import? > > > - Original Message - > From: Franc Carter > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm > Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" > > > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone > > until the import is complete > > > > cheers > > > > -- > > Franc > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import
You ripper! How long are we looking at for the whole import? - Original Message - From: Franc Carter Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" > Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone > until the import is complete > > cheers > > -- > Franc > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
