Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Tim Aerts



I think I did. I think it serves no purpose, also, it was connected wrong on 
most 
of the junctions. After reading a bit, I found a page (from Ben?) that 
describes it
not being a good idea do to so. 

I also think it should never ne drawn seperate, as, "logically" it's the same 
road, 
"fysically" it's just seperate built there for the purpose of it being a very 
dangerous 
road, and to provide some form of protection to cyclists.

Tim


> 
> I think I was a little bit to fast.
> 
> It is about http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.0466&lon=5.0184&zoom=13
> 
> The street is called Diestsebaan between Diest and Veerle-Laakdal. The
> way is also tagged as cycleway. Because I use josm the way was drawn as
> a cycleway. In the online editor everything looks correct.
> 
> Is it not better to have a seperate way as lane for bikes ? If I am not
> mistaken the lane is seperated from the road by trees, but I am not sure
> there.
> 
> kind regards,
> Bart
> 
> Ben Laenen schreef:
> > Bart Vanherck wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Someone did made a cycleway of the way between Diest and Geel. Is there
> >> a reason for that ?
> > 
> > Which way do you mean exactly? I can't find anything wrong.
> > 
> > Ben
> > 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Bart Vanherck wrote:
> I think I was a little bit to fast.
> 
> It is about
>  http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.0466&lon=5.0184&zoom=13
> 
> The street is called Diestsebaan between Diest and Veerle-Laakdal. The
> way is also tagged as cycleway. Because I use josm the way was drawn as
> a cycleway. In the online editor everything looks correct.
> 
> Is it not better to have a seperate way as lane for bikes ? If I am not
> mistaken the lane is seperated from the road by trees, but I am not sure
> there.

Opinions vary on that. Some people only want extra tags on the main highway, 
other people want all cycleways as separate ways next to them, even those 
painted on the road. I'm somewhere in the middle on that one (I need some sort 
of division between cycleway and the road before considering it, and then it 
really depends on the situation).

To tag as a separate way though needs pretty detailed mapping, so you'd need 
traces from the cycleway to map it correctly, especially at junctions, and 
then there are the points where you can go from the road to the cycleway. So 
it needs much work as well (although I've seen several cycleways that were 
just drawn as parallel ways and are missing any connection with the rest of 
the road network, ignoring junctions and everything -- I tend to just delete 
them as they serve no purpose at all other than telling there is a cycleway, 
and it's better to use a tag for that). So in this case cycleway=track is a 
good way to tell that there's a cycleway, but that we lack the data that says 
where it is exactly.

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Philippe Piquer
According to sattelite imagery, the cycleway is not separated ...

It might be a JOSM bug do display it as a cycleway ... I'll check tonight on
a similar road in my neighbourhood ...

2009/12/1 Bart Vanherck 

> I think I was a little bit to fast.
>
> It is about
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.0466&lon=5.0184&zoom=13
>
> The street is called Diestsebaan between Diest and Veerle-Laakdal. The
> way is also tagged as cycleway. Because I use josm the way was drawn as
> a cycleway. In the online editor everything looks correct.
>
> Is it not better to have a seperate way as lane for bikes ? If I am not
> mistaken the lane is seperated from the road by trees, but I am not sure
> there.
>
> kind regards,
> Bart
>
> Ben Laenen schreef:
> > Bart Vanherck wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Someone did made a cycleway of the way between Diest and Geel. Is there
> >> a reason for that ?
> >
> > Which way do you mean exactly? I can't find anything wrong.
> >
> > Ben
> >
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Bart Vanherck
I think I was a little bit to fast.

It is about http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.0466&lon=5.0184&zoom=13

The street is called Diestsebaan between Diest and Veerle-Laakdal. The
way is also tagged as cycleway. Because I use josm the way was drawn as
a cycleway. In the online editor everything looks correct.

Is it not better to have a seperate way as lane for bikes ? If I am not
mistaken the lane is seperated from the road by trees, but I am not sure
there.

kind regards,
Bart

Ben Laenen schreef:
> Bart Vanherck wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Someone did made a cycleway of the way between Diest and Geel. Is there
>> a reason for that ?
> 
> Which way do you mean exactly? I can't find anything wrong.
> 
> Ben
> 


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Bart Vanherck wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Someone did made a cycleway of the way between Diest and Geel. Is there
> a reason for that ?

Which way do you mean exactly? I can't find anything wrong.

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Dag Paul,


Als het enkel is om je tracks te loggen en te gebruiken kan je
- een gps receiver kopen - het goedkoopst - die de data doorstuurt naar
laptop of dergelijke en ze dan loggen op de laptop,
- een tracker nemen, die hetzelfde kan, maar ook zelfstandig de data kan
opslaan.

Op deze pagina van gpsshop vindt je een vrij uitgebreid overzicht van
dergelijke apparaten
http://www.gpsshop.be/category/3891/gps-ontvangers.html

Zelf gebruik ik de deze
http://www.gpsshop.be/product/64706/category-3891-gps-ontvangers/qstarz-bt-q1000x-travel-recorder-bluetooth-gps-ontvanger.html

Die heeft een erg lange batterij-levensduur en kan ook erg veel
trackpoints opslaan. Ik geloof dat ik met 1 punt per seconde toch wel
makkelijk een hele dag kan tracken.

De software die erbij geleverd is is windows only, en werkt enkel via de
usb kabel, maar er is ook een gratis tool te vinden die met mac en linux
overweg kan en bovendien ook via bluetooth werkt.

De laatste tijd track ik eerder met m'n smartphone, een HTC Hero, van
waaruit ik m'n tracks meteen kan doormailen in gpx formaat.

Luc / Speedy

PS. Heb zelf al een beetje gedaan in de omgeving van Hoogstraten Meerle,
maar je zit in een omgeving waar nog best veel werk aan is ;-)



On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 12:29 +0100, Paul Cardinaels wrote:
> English version below
> 
> 
> Dag allemaal,
> 
> 
> 
> Ik ben Paul Cardinaels, 25 jaar en ik ben al enkele jaren bezig met
> mappen voor OSM.
> Eerst heb ik de omgeving van Neerpelt gedaan, en nu wil ik beginnen
> aan de omgeving Meerle/Hoogstraten.
> Omdat ik verhuisd ben kan ik de TomTom van mijn ouders niet meer
> gebruiken, en ben ik dus op zoek naar een goedkope GPS reciever
> (navigatie is niet nodig) met USB-aansluiting die in .gpx-formaat kan
> opslaan.
> Hebben jullie suggesties? Ik heb al naar Garmin gekeken maar die zijn
> best prijzig.
> 
> 
> Groetjes,
> Paul Cardinaels
> 
> 
> English version:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I am Paul Cardinaels, I'm 25 years old and I've been mapping for a few
> years now.
> I did Neerpelt and surroundings and now I'm about to begin on
> Meerle/Hoogstraten.
> Since I moved I can't use my parents TomTom anymore, and so I'm
> searching for a cheap GPS reciever (navigation isn't necessary) with
> USB-connection and wich stores the tracks in .gpx-format.
> Do you guys have suggestions? I have looked at Garmin but they aren't
> cheap...
> 
> 
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[OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Bart Vanherck
Hello,

Someone did made a cycleway of the way between Diest and Geel. Is there
a reason for that ?


kind regards,

Bart

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:43 +0100, Ben Laenen  wrote:
> Marc Coevoet wrote:
>> Verder log ik zelf niet: werk dat al een keer (1 of 10? keer) gedaan is
>> hoef je niet opnieuw te doen.  In de economie van Adolf Hitler deed men
>> gevaarlijke /moeilijke jobs maar 1 keer, en zou men het achteraf
>> communisme noemen.  Je kunt eens nadenken welk fascisme goed is voor je
>> gezondheid.
> 
> Ik mis duidelijk een aantal kronkels in mijn hersenen die van
bovenstaande 
> paragraaf iets zinvols kunnen maken...

Ik eerlijk gezegd ook.

Om een GPS logger te vinden is misschien deze productzoeker handig:


Aan de rechterkant heb je wat mogelijkheden om te filteren op wat
features.

Maarten


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Marc Coevoet wrote:
> Verder log ik zelf niet: werk dat al een keer (1 of 10? keer) gedaan is
> hoef je niet opnieuw te doen.  In de economie van Adolf Hitler deed men
> gevaarlijke /moeilijke jobs maar 1 keer, en zou men het achteraf
> communisme noemen.  Je kunt eens nadenken welk fascisme goed is voor je
> gezondheid.

Ik mis duidelijk een aantal kronkels in mijn hersenen die van bovenstaande 
paragraaf iets zinvols kunnen maken...

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Marc Coevoet
Paul Cardinaels schreef:
> English version below
>
> Dag allemaal,
>
> Ik ben Paul Cardinaels, 25 jaar en ik ben al enkele jaren bezig met 
> mappen voor OSM.
> Eerst heb ik de omgeving van Neerpelt gedaan, en nu wil ik beginnen 
> aan de omgeving Meerle/Hoogstraten.
> Omdat ik verhuisd ben kan ik de TomTom van mijn ouders niet meer 
> gebruiken, en ben ik dus op zoek naar een goedkope GPS reciever 
> (navigatie is niet nodig) met USB-aansluiting die in .gpx-formaat kan 
> opslaan.
> Hebben jullie suggesties? Ik heb al naar Garmin gekeken maar die zijn 
> best prijzig.
>
> Groetjes,
> Paul Cardinaels

Ach, in de Cashconverter van Moeskroen staat een Garmin Streetpilot i3 
aan 39 euro, verder kan een tomtom ook worden uitgerust met opentom.org 
en kun je met een oudere/goedkopere tt dus ook loggen..


Verder log ik zelf niet: werk dat al een keer (1 of 10? keer) gedaan is 
hoef je niet opnieuw te doen.  In de economie van Adolf Hitler deed men 
gevaarlijke /moeilijke jobs maar 1 keer, en zou men het achteraf 
communisme noemen.  Je kunt eens nadenken welk fascisme goed is voor je 
gezondheid.

Marc

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Alternate bus routes

2009-12-01 Thread Denis Jacquerye
You can create a new relation with the alternate path and the parameter
state="alternate" (see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route). Maybe add a note
to the description parameter. If the reference is the same, keep it
that way, but if the name is different use it for the name parameter.

Several tram/bus routes have variants. Often the reference name is the
normal one but with a stroke (that's hard to represent). For example
tram 92 in Brussels can sometimes be 92 (stroked) when it only does
part of the usual route.

So far I've only tagged the alternate parts of route like this.
Maybe we should add the rest of the route, or use super-relations
(include all the variations of a route relations into one relation).

Denis Moyogo Jacquerye

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Benoit Leseul  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to this list but I've been doing some mapping in Brussels for
> a few months.
>
> Recently, I have been tracking bus stops in my area and found an
> interesting case: the bus line 41 from the STIB/MIVB.
> Its route happens to be different on weekdays and during the weekend,
> due to the closing of the Bois de la Cambre for all vehicle traffic.
>
> On the digital screens outside and inside the bus is written "41 dévié
> fermeture bois / 41 omgeleid sluiting bos". There are hard stops (with
> shelters and all) on both routes.
>
> So... how should I tag this alternate route and its stops?
> a) Make a new relation for the weekend route, tagged with a made-up
> line number ("41d" or something) ?
> b) Make a new relation only for the part of the route which differs
> during the weekend, tagged the same way?
> c) Add both routes to the existing relation?
>
> I think b) would render the best on ÖPVN-Karte, but is maybe not so
> useful for other tools (a trip planner for example). a) would be more
> interesting for other tools but look odd on the map. And c) would be
> plain confusing for everyone.
>
> What do you think?
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread wannes
Op 1 december 2009 12:29 heeft Paul Cardinaels
 het volgende geschreven:
> Since I moved I can't use my parents TomTom anymore, and so I'm searching
> for a cheap GPS reciever (navigation isn't necessary) with USB-connection
> and wich stores the tracks in .gpx-format.
> Do you guys have suggestions? I have looked at Garmin but they aren't
> cheap...

I have a Garmin Gecko 201.
But you could get a GPS-tracker. It costs about 80 euro.
Or a GPS-receiver, but you need a cellphone or laptop for the data.


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[OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Paul Cardinaels
English version below

Dag allemaal,

Ik ben Paul Cardinaels, 25 jaar en ik ben al enkele jaren bezig met mappen
voor OSM.
Eerst heb ik de omgeving van Neerpelt gedaan, en nu wil ik beginnen aan de
omgeving Meerle/Hoogstraten.
Omdat ik verhuisd ben kan ik de TomTom van mijn ouders niet meer gebruiken,
en ben ik dus op zoek naar een goedkope GPS reciever (navigatie is niet
nodig) met USB-aansluiting die in .gpx-formaat kan opslaan.
Hebben jullie suggesties? Ik heb al naar Garmin gekeken maar die zijn best
prijzig.

Groetjes,
Paul Cardinaels

English version:
Hello everyone,

I am Paul Cardinaels, I'm 25 years old and I've been mapping for a few years
now.
I did Neerpelt and surroundings and now I'm about to begin on
Meerle/Hoogstraten.
Since I moved I can't use my parents TomTom anymore, and so I'm searching
for a cheap GPS reciever (navigation isn't necessary) with USB-connection
and wich stores the tracks in .gpx-format.
Do you guys have suggestions? I have looked at Garmin but they aren't
cheap...

Regards,
Paul Cardinaels
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