[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people

[Johan Van de Wauw]

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From: Johan Van de Wauw 
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people
To: Christophe Cloquet , OpenStreetMap Belgium <
talk-be@openstreetmap.org>
Cc: Maelle Vercauteren , dirk frigne <
dirk.fri...@geosparc.com>, "belg...@lists.osgeo.org" <
belg...@lists.osgeo.org>


Hello Christophe,

First of all thanks for the  idea. I was in a hurry preparing my
"conclusions and outlook for osgeo.be" presentation. One of the things I
wanted to add was how we can use FOSS4G to create value - somewhat
triggered by the "where is the money" discussion just before.

Anyway, I'm adding the openstreetmap be mailing list as they have much more
experience in organising mapping parties.

To the OSM folks: the idea is to organise a "mapping party" targeted
towards homeless and socially disabled people. Full thread below (I added
an inline comment).

Kind Regards,
Johan



On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Christophe Cloquet  wrote:

>
> Thank you for your interest in this topic !
>
> I am volunteer at the Red-Cross, so I could also relay to that network, as
> well as to 'La Strada', and some other small structures.
>
> Now, I never attended such a mapping party, so I do not know how many
> people to expect. I could mobilize some, but few with a cartographic
> background. However, people from the field could perhaps bring useful
> informations that are not otherwise easily accessible ?
>


That is surely the case - they may also help finding out what is really
important, how maps are probably going to be used (print, smartphone,
language , ...?), ... that is much more important than eg what software we
are going to use.

I'd actually suggest sitting together and brainstorming with at least some
of them first, so we can prepare the mapping party, this can be on short
notice.



> Best regards,
>
> Christophe
>
> PS : There is perhaps also something to do for the migrants as well !
>
>
> Le 11/11/2015 07:42, Maelle Vercauteren a écrit :
>
> Yes it could be really great to start with that !
>
> I'm volunteer at Médecins du Monde. So if you want I could help for making
> a link with them. Next week we will start the « Plan Hiver» (
> http://www.medecinsdumonde.be/belgique/le-plan-hiver) in SAMU to open
> medical facilities for homeless people. In parallel, they also have a
> project for migrants this year « Quai 22 » at Willebroeck (
> http://nl.metrotime.be/2015/11/04/news/dokters-van-de-wereld-ziet-aantal-consultaties-asielzoekers-in-brussel-verdubbelen/;
> http://www.telebruxelles.be/emissions/interview/).
>
> I know that the Hackathon's winning team made a mapping tool for disabled
> people. Perhaps it could be nice to contact them and see if the technical
> architecture of their tool is interesting for the project ?
>
> By the way, to place this first activity the January 29 at the ULB, we
> (Moritz and I) need to know what kind of room would be needed (capacity,
> etc ...) and with what time-schedule...
>
> Kind regards, Maë//e
>
> 2015-11-09 20:30 GMT+01:00 Dirk Frigne :
>
>> I think this is a great idea.
>> We discussed today the next possible events of OSGeo.be and one of the
>> idea's (Marc) is to organise some tech network events (probably evolving
>> to a code sprint). This could be a nice topic to dicuss the technical
>> architecture.
>>
>> D.
>>
>> On 09-11-15 18:58, Christophe Cloquet wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Thanks again for the organization of FOSS4G !
>> >
>> > As a suggestion for an upcoming activity, I would like to propose a
>> > mapping challenge around the facilities for homeless and socially
>> > disabled people. There are already some data here and there (like open
>> > data about the water facilities), there is a yearly print map made by
>> > 'La Strada' (it seems they might need some help for their online service
>> > : http://plan.brureg-lastrada.be/service/list/), but by putting
>> together
>> > GIS specialists, citizens, charities (Red-Cross, Infirmiers de rue,
>> > Médecins du Monde, ...) and beneficiaries, I am convinced something
>> > great could happen !
>> >
>> > For instance, we could inventoriate social restaurants, social
>> > hair-cutters, places where homeless people can drink some
>> > 'cafés-suspendus', etc.
>> >
>> > This could in turn form the basis for an app/website sur as this one :
>> > https://www.facebook.com/EntourageReseauCivique/, that could benefit to
>> > homeless people.
>> >
>> > I am quite busy at the moment to organize this event by myself, but if
>> > it can be organized, I can relay it through my networks, and come to
>> > help for the mapping party !
>> >
>> > What would you think ?
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Christophe
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > *Christophe 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people

[joost schouppe]

Hi Johan,

The first question for the project should be: do we want to own this data?
If the answer is no, then you should really consider using Openstreetmap as
the place where the data lives. For example, you could build something like
http://wheelmap.org/en/ which has no data of its own. It's just tools that
enrich the community built and maintained data, and visualizes the data
relevant to their audience. That prevents creating yet another data silo.
There are similar projects like
https://openbeermap.github.io/#16/48.8713/2.3834 for people with other
special needs.

Of course, if you have a data silo, you can model and protect the data as
you wish. If you use OSM on the other hand, you become part of a community
of over half a million mappers and an ecosystem of developers who might
reuse the data you help collecting in totally unexpected ways. But then you
will have to develop or reuse a tagging scheme to fit the data you need in
the OSM data model. This is not as hard as it sounds, but do involve as
much experienced OSM mappers as soon as possible.

This is only possible if the data you want to map is verifiable. If you
want to map "decent places for homeless people to spend the night" (e.g.
under a bridge), that would be a hard sell. [There's a very similar
discussion about wild camp sites]. But if you want to map things like
"overnighting facility for homeless people", that would be very easy to
achieve.
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features for an introduction.


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2015-11-13 10:36 GMT+01:00 Johan Van de Wauw :

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Johan Van de Wauw 
> Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:29 AM
> Subject: RE: Mapping facilities for homeless and socially disabled people
> To: Christophe Cloquet , OpenStreetMap Belgium <
> talk-be@openstreetmap.org>
> Cc: Maelle Vercauteren , dirk frigne <
> dirk.fri...@geosparc.com>, "belg...@lists.osgeo.org" <
> belg...@lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Hello Christophe,
>
> First of all thanks for the  idea. I was in a hurry preparing my
> "conclusions and outlook for osgeo.be" presentation. One of the things I
> wanted to add was how we can use FOSS4G to create value - somewhat
> triggered by the "where is the money" discussion just before.
>
> Anyway, I'm adding the openstreetmap be mailing list as they have much
> more experience in organising mapping parties.
>
> To the OSM folks: the idea is to organise a "mapping party" targeted
> towards homeless and socially disabled people. Full thread below (I added
> an inline comment).
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Christophe Cloquet <
> christo...@my-poppy.eu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in this topic !
>>
>> I am volunteer at the Red-Cross, so I could also relay to that network,
>> as well as to 'La Strada', and some other small structures.
>>
>> Now, I never attended such a mapping party, so I do not know how many
>> people to expect. I could mobilize some, but few with a cartographic
>> background. However, people from the field could perhaps bring useful
>> informations that are not otherwise easily accessible ?
>>
>
>
> That is surely the case - they may also help finding out what is really
> important, how maps are probably going to be used (print, smartphone,
> language , ...?), ... that is much more important than eg what software we
> are going to use.
>
> I'd actually suggest sitting together and brainstorming with at least some
> of them first, so we can prepare the mapping party, this can be on short
> notice.
>
>
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>> PS : There is perhaps also something to do for the migrants as well !
>>
>>
>> Le 11/11/2015 07:42, Maelle Vercauteren a écrit :
>>
>> Yes it could be really great to start with that !
>>
>> I'm volunteer at Médecins du Monde. So if you want I could help for
>> making a link with them. Next week we will start the « Plan Hiver» (
>> http://www.medecinsdumonde.be/belgique/le-plan-hiver) in SAMU to open
>> medical facilities for homeless people. In parallel, they also have a
>> project for migrants this year « Quai 22 » at Willebroeck (
>> http://nl.metrotime.be/2015/11/04/news/dokters-van-de-wereld-ziet-aantal-consultaties-asielzoekers-in-brussel-verdubbelen/;
>> http://www.telebruxelles.be/emissions/interview/).
>>
>> I know that the Hackathon's winning team made a mapping tool for disabled
>> people. Perhaps it could be nice to contact them and see if the technical
>> architecture of their tool is interesting for the