Re: [OSM-talk-be] SPW PICC 2000 map on JOSM (not 2000)
Hi, - Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation means that there is no constraints to consult the data. For them, copying the data from the PICC into OSM by JOSM is not copying... That's the answer I had. And as this is an answer which agrees me, I won't try to have another, which would make me unhappy... Unless not before we can gather a hundred of people in front of the Governement Walloon to ask more, or simply have an hundred of people joining open knowledje (http://www.openknowledge.be/) and creating a mass movement. The situation is not the best and it is not clear, I admit and they reckon that, and some people are doing a great job inside the administration to make things going better. Philippe Henry is not Minister any more for one year, now. (off-topic : And I am not sure that I would be happy if what a minister is decided is immediatly executed... That's a part of democraty. Even if it slows down things when they go in a way I am happy with. I prefer this situation). The WMS service definition is not up to date, you already have mentioned that. Julien Le 05/06/15 13:01, André Pirard a écrit : > On 2015-06-04 14:57, Julien Fastré wrote : >> Hi Erik, >> >> This licence applies to the visualization service : >> http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf >> >> The text is quite uncomprehensible. I had a discussion with them that it >> is not forbidden if you copy that on a map and mix with other data (what >> we do in OSM). > Hi Julien, > > This is what I see (as "conditions particulières" I suppose) (my display > set to English language): > > Conditions d'accès et d'utilisation > - Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation > - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. > http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf > - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. > http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf > Obtaining formalities > Pour toutes demandes, complétez le formulaire de licence > (http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf) et l'envoyer à > helpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be > > But I see absolutely no explanation of what "consultation" and "license" > allow to do. > > You once wrote that Minister Henry has told SPW (his department) to open > all their data. > And later that we can now copy the data. > > Maybe Minister Henry should be asked to be sure that the answer is what > he wants. > Also making sure that the boundary data belongs to the Belgian people > represented by its government. > > To put an end to these endless discussions (repeated for every server), > I have once opened a JOSM ticket suggesting that JOSM could read the © > information from where it belongs in the server meta-data and display it > to the JOSM user on first use of the server, any time the © is modified > and on request. > The ticket was closed with "wontfix" status. That doesn't make © seem > an important topic. > The PICC meta-data contains: > > In which case JOSM should automatically suggest the user to send a > prepared e-mail to > helpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be > suggesting them to fill meta-data as ©-URL > Iso-date > and referring to an OpenStreetMap document explaining what ©-URL should > explain clearly for OSM usage. > > These are "facts" and is is in no way trying to convince that anybody is > "doing bad job" as you claim, but is my usual suggestions to improve the > situation. > Unfortunately, they cannot be written in two lines as you request, just try. > > PS: I made a confusion when calling it PICC 2000 with DWG 2000 which is > a data distribution format. > PICC was created in 1991 and the last data update is 2015-01-08. > But that does not say what exactly was updated and I don't see in PICC > houses that are built for a long time, hence my confusion. > Anyway, checking with the aerial layer is necessary, that's a reason why > I made PICC transparent. > > André. > > > > > > > >> >> Julien >> >> Le 29/05/15 21:21, Erik Beerten a écrit : >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am Flemish but regularly mapping things in the south of Belgium. >>> To be clear, is it correct that all map data on the Walloon PICC 2000 >>> (including the shape of the buildings) are free for copying to OSM? >>> PICC is about the same as the Flemish AGIV GRB map but the building >>> shapes on that map may not be copied. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Erik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 23-05-15 om 18:14 schreef André Pirard: On 2015-05-15 15:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote : > Dear all, > > I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use > the "belgian settings" whatever this is that as I suppose simplify > the tasks. > ... Bon maintenant, Regarding the "Belgian settings", I have mentioned before that JOSM requires WMS EPSG:4326/3857 and reported to SPW in 2010 and here later that the best WA server, which was the PICC server, returned blank 4326 tiles. It even contained many WMS configuration errors such that JOS
Re: [OSM-talk-be] SPW PICC 2000 map on JOSM (not 2000)
On 2015-06-04 14:57, Julien Fastré wrote : > Hi Erik, > > This licence applies to the visualization service : > http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf > > The text is quite uncomprehensible. I had a discussion with them that it > is not forbidden if you copy that on a map and mix with other data (what > we do in OSM). Hi Julien, This is what I see (as "conditions particulières" I suppose) (my display set to English language): Conditions d'accès et d'utilisation - Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent. http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf Obtaining formalities Pour toutes demandes, complétez le formulaire de licence (http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf) et l'envoyer à helpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be But I see absolutely no explanation of what "consultation" and "license" allow to do. You once wrote that Minister Henry has told SPW (his department) to open all their data. And later that we can now copy the data. Maybe Minister Henry should be asked to be sure that the answer is what he wants. Also making sure that the boundary data belongs to the Belgian people represented by its government. To put an end to these endless discussions (repeated for every server), I have once opened a JOSM ticket suggesting that JOSM could read the © information from where it belongs in the server meta-data and display it to the JOSM user on first use of the server, any time the © is modified and on request. The ticket was closed with "wontfix" status. That doesn't make © seem an important topic. The PICC meta-data contains: In which case JOSM should automatically suggest the user to send a prepared e-mail to helpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be suggesting them to fill meta-data as ©-URL Iso-date and referring to an OpenStreetMap document explaining what ©-URL should explain clearly for OSM usage. These are "facts" and is is in no way trying to convince that anybody is "doing bad job" as you claim, but is my usual suggestions to improve the situation. Unfortunately, they cannot be written in two lines as you request, just try. PS: I made a confusion when calling it PICC 2000 with DWG 2000 which is a data distribution format. PICC was created in 1991 and the last data update is 2015-01-08. But that does not say what exactly was updated and I don't see in PICC houses that are built for a long time, hence my confusion. Anyway, checking with the aerial layer is necessary, that's a reason why I made PICC transparent. André. > > Julien > > Le 29/05/15 21:21, Erik Beerten a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> I am Flemish but regularly mapping things in the south of Belgium. >> To be clear, is it correct that all map data on the Walloon PICC 2000 >> (including the shape of the buildings) are free for copying to OSM? >> PICC is about the same as the Flemish AGIV GRB map but the building >> shapes on that map may not be copied. >> >> Regards, >> >> Erik >> >> >> >> >> Op 23-05-15 om 18:14 schreef André Pirard: >>> On 2015-05-15 15:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote : Dear all, I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use the "belgian settings" whatever this is that as I suppose simplify the tasks. ... >>> Bon maintenant, >>> >>> Regarding the "Belgian settings", I have mentioned before that JOSM >>> requires WMS EPSG:4326/3857 and reported to SPW in 2010 and here later >>> that the best WA server, which was the PICC server, returned blank >>> 4326 tiles. It even contained many WMS configuration errors such that >>> JOSM failed to configure it automatically. There have been no >>> follow-ups to those comments, just that they are not interesting. >>> I have lately discovered purely by chance that the PICC bugs are now >>> corrected. It's possible to configure it with JOSM. >>> >>> The optimized PICC configuration can be installed with: >>> JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>Refresh >>> JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>select BE|SPW(allonie) PICC 2000 >>> numerical imagery>Activate >>> >>> You may want to remove layer 49 to prevent redundant street names >>> obscuring the highways: >>> In ...>Selected entries:>SPW(allonie) PICC...>double-click column 2, >>> edit "49," out, ... OK >>> Place names are in layers 56-60. >>> >>> The maximum zoom is 21. >>> I have filed a request that JOSM scaled the images above that zoom. >>> This will be done in June (JOSM guys are really great!). While waiting: >>> JOSM>Windows>Layers>right-click SPW...PICC...>turn OFF: Automatically >>> change resolution >>> JOSM>View/Jump to Position>map=21... or zoom=5 metres >>> (repeat each time the layer is added) >>> >>> That PICC data is old (2000 I think, missing houses etc.). >>> I wish the more recent BASE imagery were available for JOSM. >>> But these do not support WMS EPSG:4326/3857 (;-) ). >>> PICC has a wonderful 25 cm precision.
