Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:44 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: I traversed province de Liège end to end and I found no need to make screenshots. In the list, I opened the small left icon below the cart and I get a JPEG viewer or a Mets viewer. When I right click the picture, I am able to save a JPEG. Merci beaucoup, I tried it with screenshots, but that's too time consuming regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: In short, I used out-of-copyright Popp maps from the royal library As a complete noob on this topic, where can I get them (going to the library ? or are they already on-line somewhere ?) regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
Some of them are digitised, some aren't. You can go to http://www.kbr.be/collections/cart_plan/collections/collections_nl.html then under Kadastrale plannen, click on one of the provinces (For Luik, click on a different, random province, for Luxembourg, there are no maps sadly). This opens the search website which gives you no results (but at least brings you to the right page). On that page, go to Cartes et plans = Kaarten en plannen, and this time, click on the correct province. Then you see a list of municipalities (from the 19th century, with old spelling), sorted by arrondissement. Then you can open the scan reader by clicking on the image (not the title). You'll see that the map gets a copyright mark, this means that the map as image is protected. However, the data you can deduce from the map isn't altered since the creation of it (it isn't rectified nor georeferenced), so it's usable for OSM. As there's no export option, the easiest way to use it is to zoom in to certain parts, and make screenshots. I normally made 4 screenshots for a normal village, with a bit of overlap. However, the maps may be so skewed that you need to adapt the reference points depending on the part of boundary you're drawing. Note that not all villages are present. Sometimes you're lucky that all surrounding villages of a certain village are present, then you also have the boundaries. Other times, it might take guesswork, or using even worse (older) maps. Regards, Sander 2015-02-25 14:12 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: In short, I used out-of-copyright Popp maps from the royal library As a complete noob on this topic, where can I get them (going to the library ? or are they already on-line somewhere ?) regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. I'll give it a try regards m On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Some of them are digitised, some aren't. You can go to http://www.kbr.be/collections/cart_plan/collections/collections_nl.html then under Kadastrale plannen, click on one of the provinces (For Luik, click on a different, random province, for Luxembourg, there are no maps sadly). This opens the search website which gives you no results (but at least brings you to the right page). On that page, go to Cartes et plans = Kaarten en plannen, and this time, click on the correct province. Then you see a list of municipalities (from the 19th century, with old spelling), sorted by arrondissement. Then you can open the scan reader by clicking on the image (not the title). You'll see that the map gets a copyright mark, this means that the map as image is protected. However, the data you can deduce from the map isn't altered since the creation of it (it isn't rectified nor georeferenced), so it's usable for OSM. As there's no export option, the easiest way to use it is to zoom in to certain parts, and make screenshots. I normally made 4 screenshots for a normal village, with a bit of overlap. However, the maps may be so skewed that you need to adapt the reference points depending on the part of boundary you're drawing. Note that not all villages are present. Sometimes you're lucky that all surrounding villages of a certain village are present, then you also have the boundaries. Other times, it might take guesswork, or using even worse (older) maps. Regards, Sander 2015-02-25 14:12 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: In short, I used out-of-copyright Popp maps from the royal library As a complete noob on this topic, where can I get them (going to the library ? or are they already on-line somewhere ?) regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote: Basecamp is a simple albeit very powerful project managements software from former 37Signals company written by the inventor of Ruby on Rails. https://basecamp.com/ It is also the name of the software that Garmin makes to manage maps on a computer [1] I assume the original poster was refetring to this software Alain, as André pointed out, in order to decide that a street is within a city, village, hamlet, country, etc. we need to map the boundaries. Unfortunately, that is very hard to do. You do not see lines on the grounds where the boundary is located (except for a few walls between some countries). We would immediately solve this problem when we would have access to those boundaries, e.g. when the government or IGN would put them in the public domain. On the other hand, many governments only work with villages, so when even on official websites it is very hard to find a deelgemeente. The official geloket website for Flanders, will not allow you to search for Steenweg op Waarloos, Reet. You have to know it is in Rumst. So at the moment we are unable to solve your problem.I fear the only solution is to spend a few hundred euros on a Garmin map if your really need this feature. regards m [1] http://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
Tx Sander, I was looking for this type of background information as well. I have some suspicion that some boundaries were off , it floats to the surface when mapping housnumbers (and checking if the postal codes match the real one). I will be less reluctant to change them now. Especially the comment about following a stream is what I noticed lately that some border look like they follow the shape of the stream but are a bit offset. @Marc : Indeed, that could be the Basecamp he was refering to. Glenn On 24-02-15 16:44, Sander Deryckere wrote: It's all a matter of how much work you want to put in it. A few years ago, I tried to draw most of the part-municipality boundaries in West-Flanders, and succeeded pretty well in it. However, that was still in the time of Yahoo imagery, so many features (like streams) weren't visible, which means that many boundaries are shifted a few meters from their actual location. Here's a map that enables you to see to what level boundaries are mapped: http://www.itoworld.com/map/2?lon=4.67594lat=50.88177zoom=9 In short, I used out-of-copyright Popp maps from the royal library. Then I georeferenced them manually using the JOSM background image plugin. After referencing them, I could draw the boundaries as they were in the 19th century. Most boundaries didn't change since that time, so you can do a pretty good job. But you do need to search some information on certain boundaries to see which areas were exchanged in the past. So if you want to invest a few hours, you can certainly draw some nice boundaries. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
It's all a matter of how much work you want to put in it. A few years ago, I tried to draw most of the part-municipality boundaries in West-Flanders, and succeeded pretty well in it. However, that was still in the time of Yahoo imagery, so many features (like streams) weren't visible, which means that many boundaries are shifted a few meters from their actual location. Here's a map that enables you to see to what level boundaries are mapped: http://www.itoworld.com/map/2?lon=4.67594lat=50.88177zoom=9 In short, I used out-of-copyright Popp maps from the royal library. Then I georeferenced them manually using the JOSM background image plugin. After referencing them, I could draw the boundaries as they were in the 19th century. Most boundaries didn't change since that time, so you can do a pretty good job. But you do need to search some information on certain boundaries to see which areas were exchanged in the past. So if you want to invest a few hours, you can certainly draw some nice boundaries. Regards, Sander 2015-02-24 16:22 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote: Basecamp is a simple albeit very powerful project managements software from former 37Signals company written by the inventor of Ruby on Rails. https://basecamp.com/ It is also the name of the software that Garmin makes to manage maps on a computer [1] I assume the original poster was refetring to this software Alain, as André pointed out, in order to decide that a street is within a city, village, hamlet, country, etc. we need to map the boundaries. Unfortunately, that is very hard to do. You do not see lines on the grounds where the boundary is located (except for a few walls between some countries). We would immediately solve this problem when we would have access to those boundaries, e.g. when the government or IGN would put them in the public domain. On the other hand, many governments only work with villages, so when even on official websites it is very hard to find a deelgemeente. The official geloket website for Flanders, will not allow you to search for Steenweg op Waarloos, Reet. You have to know it is in Rumst. So at the moment we are unable to solve your problem.I fear the only solution is to spend a few hundred euros on a Garmin map if your really need this feature. regards m [1] http://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
What is Osmand ? In Basecamp or using garmin gps (e-trex), Maillen can NOT be found, even without street. You will find Assesse and you have to know that Maillen belongs to Assesse. “Strépy-Braquegnies is not a boundary but a Residential Area (a landuse). You can't use one in an OSM search. » Strépy-Braquegnies is a city that has its own postal code (7110) and is totally different from La Louvière having another postal code (7100) What if there is another street with the same name exists in 7100 La Louvière? Nothing prevents it. If you are walking or cycling, there is 8 Km between Strépy-Braquegnies and La Louvière. That’s a lot. If your map can’t figure out this, paper maps might be better! Bien à vous, Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 http://www.kineuro.com/ http://www.kineuro.com From: André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com] Sent: lundi 23 février 2015 01:48 To: OpenStreetMap Belgium Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM? On 2015-02-22 23:13, Alain Bourgeois wrote : Maillen and Assesse are not the only bug. With Osmand, I find Maillen e.g. Place du Bâti and OSM finds Place du Bâti Maillen but that's near Maillen which is a village, that result is in Assesse which is a city. OSM also finds Place du Bâti Assesse, of course. Osmand also finds Assesse if you tap villages (OSM calls it a city, not even a town, ahem). Kortessem and Wellen are in Osmand all-right, but, again, you have to tap on villages when the list gets short. We found other ones (event bigger). e.g. try to find Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer in 7110 Strépy-Braquegnies. You will not find it. To locate it you have to search on … Rue JB Monoyer, in 7100 La Louvière. In order to find Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer it should be called Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer and not Rue JB Monoyer. I have corrected that bug. Strépy-Braquegnies is not a boundary but a Residential Area (a landuse). You can't use one in an OSM search. You could if it were a (non-administrative) boundary, and even not, found in a subarea and Nominatim supported that, but that's another discussion. There is no need to include Jean-Baptiste in the query. Your street is located (nested) in Pont Balasse, La Louvière, Soignies, Hainaut, Wallonia, 7100;7110, Belgium So, any of these queries returns your answer: Monoyer Pont Balasse, Monoyer La Louvière, Monoyer Soignies, Monoyer Hainaut, Monoyer Wallonia, Monoyer Belgium or Monoyer. I'm not sure what the post code is or can be used for unless you are a letter. Except for JB, I don't find a bug, less other ones, less event bigger. André. I thought it was due to postal code, but sometimes streets are associated to wrong postal code! Bien à vous, Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 http://www.kineuro.com/ http://www.kineuro.com From: Erik Beerten [mailto:ebe...@gmail.com] Sent: jeudi 25 décembre 2014 19:25 To: OpenStreetMap Belgium Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM? The problem with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are in OSM. A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural boundaries = rivers, in different sources first. In Flanders those rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on the AGIV air imagery. But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't hear more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for Wallonie in JOSM (?). Regards, Erik Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis: As you could see from the link in my previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node. Ligfietser wrote: The OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to assign the streets to a place: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ries#Namur First it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9. I dont know if this is the case in Maillen. If there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If there is no section, streets could be tagged with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in is_in If those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial map. So in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at this moment. Those borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9 boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or André know more about this. In general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google or other institutions that ask a lot of money for that data
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
On 2015-02-22 23:13, Alain Bourgeois
wrote :
Maillen and Assesse are not the only bug.
With Osmand, I find Maillen e.g. Place du Bâti and OSM finds "Place
du Bâti Maillen" but that's near Maillen which is a village,
that result is in Assesse which is a city. OSM also finds "Place du
Bâti Assesse", of course.
Osmand also finds Assesse if you tap "villages" (OSM calls it a
city, not even a town, ahem).
Kortessem and Wellen are in Osmand all-right, but, again, you have
to tap on "villages" when the list gets short.
We found other ones (event bigger).
e.g. try to find Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer in
7110 Strépy-Braquegnies. You will not find it.
To locate it you have to search on … Rue
JB Monoyer, in 7100 La Louvière.
In order to find "Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer" it should be called
"Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer" and not "Rue JB Monoyer".
I have corrected that bug.
Strépy-Braquegnies is not a boundary but a Residential
Area (a landuse). You can't use one in an OSM search.
You could if it were a (non-administrative) boundary, and even not,
found in a subarea and Nominatim supported that, but that's another
discussion.
There is no need to include "Jean-Baptiste" in the query.
Your street is located (nested) in Pont Balasse, La Louvière,
Soignies, Hainaut, Wallonia, 7100;7110, Belgium
So, any of these queries returns your answer: "Monoyer Pont
Balasse", "Monoyer La Louvière", "Monoyer Soignies", "Monoyer
Hainaut", "Monoyer Wallonia", "Monoyer Belgium" or "Monoyer".
I'm not sure what the post code is or can be used for unless you are
a letter.
Except for JB, I don't find a bug, less "other ones", less "event
bigger".
André.
I thought it was due to postal code, but
sometimes streets are associated to wrong postal code!
Bien
à vous,
Alain
Bourgeois
+32
496 51 85 75
http://www.kineuro.com
From: Erik Beerten [mailto:ebe...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi 25 décembre 2014 19:25
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in
OFM?
The problem
with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where
some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are
in OSM.
A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural
boundaries = rivers, in different sources first. In Flanders
those rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on
the AGIV air imagery.
But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't
hear more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for
Wallonie in JOSM (?).
Regards,
Erik
Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis:
As you could see from the link in my
previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node.
Ligfietser wrote:
"The
OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM
to assign the streets to a place:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki
… ries#Namur
First it looks in level
8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks
deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9.
I dont know if this is the case in Maillen.
If there exists such a
section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If
there is no section, streets could be tagged with is_in
If those sections are
not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen
so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM
map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial
map."
So
in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for
Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at
this mom
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
The problem with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are in OSM. A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural boundaries = rivers, in different sources first. In Flanders those rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on the AGIV air imagery. But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't hear more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for Wallonie in JOSM (?). Regards, Erik Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis: As you could see from the link in my previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node. Ligfietser wrote: The OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to assign the streets to a place: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ries#Namur http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur First it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9. I dont know if this is the case in Maillen. If there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If there is no section, streets could be tagged with is_in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in If those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial map. So in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at this moment. Those borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9 boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or André know more about this. In general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google or other institutions that ask a lot of money for that data. Sometimes governments open up a datasource with those boundaries. This is not the case in Belgium. Furthermore most recent databases from the government do not care about those deelgemeenten, which makes it even harder to get access to a source to use. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alain Bourgeois alain.bourge...@skynet.be mailto:alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6 months ago – same problem. I reported the trouble on the forum (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300) and they sent me to Belgian team. Bien à vous, Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 tel:%2B32%20496%2051%2085%2075 http://www.kineuro.com http://www.kineuro.com/ *From:*Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com] *Sent:* mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37 *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM? On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois alain.bourge...@skynet.be mailto:alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: Maillen The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1]. The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not appear in the map you have downloaded. Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more detailed. Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via i...@openfietsmap.nl mailto:i...@openfietsmap.nlHe can explain which information from OSM is available in the different versions of his map. regards m [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701layers=N [2] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
Hi, I installed OFM EU2014_Wv0604 (open fiets map western europe) in base camp. Question: some city names are displayed in BaseCamp (e.g. Maillen, in Belgium, N 50° 22.654' E4° 58.209'), do exist, can be found in Google, but it is impossible to find this town name nor in basecamp nor in e-trex30. Any hint? If map is not enough accurate, where can I find/download one with all town names? Regards thank you. Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 http://www.kineuro.com http://www.kineuro.com/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: Maillen The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1]. The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not appear in the map you have downloaded. Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more detailed. Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via i...@openfietsmap.nl He can explain which information from OSM is available in the different versions of his map. regards m [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701layers=N [2] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6 months ago – same problem. I reported the trouble on the forum (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300) and they sent me to Belgian team. Bien à vous, Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 http://www.kineuro.com/ http://www.kineuro.com From: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com] Sent: mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37 To: OpenStreetMap Belgium Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM? On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois mailto:alain.bourge...@skynet.be alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: Maillen The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1]. The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not appear in the map you have downloaded. Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more detailed. Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via mailto:i...@openfietsmap.nl i...@openfietsmap.nl He can explain which information from OSM is available in the different versions of his map. regards m [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701layers=N http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701layers=N [2] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
As you could see from the link in my previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node. Ligfietser wrote: The OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to assign the streets to a place: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ries#Namur http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur First it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9. I dont know if this is the case in Maillen. If there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If there is no section, streets could be tagged with is_in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in If those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial map. So in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at this moment. Those borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9 boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or André know more about this. In general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google or other institutions that ask a lot of money for that data. Sometimes governments open up a datasource with those boundaries. This is not the case in Belgium. Furthermore most recent databases from the government do not care about those deelgemeenten, which makes it even harder to get access to a source to use. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alain Bourgeois alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6 months ago – same problem. I reported the trouble on the forum ( http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300) and they sent me to Belgian team. Bien à vous, Alain Bourgeois +32 496 51 85 75 http://www.kineuro.com *From:* Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com] *Sent:* mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37 *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM? On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois alain.bourge...@skynet.be wrote: Maillen The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1]. The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not appear in the map you have downloaded. Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more detailed. Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via i...@openfietsmap.nl He can explain which information from OSM is available in the different versions of his map. regards m [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701layers=N [2] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
