Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 19, assunto 32

[Fernando Caldas]

@Vitor.

Vale qualquer tipo de post para começar. Até mesmo coisas que são colocadas
aqui na lista.
Quando vc postar, use bastante as palavras "Mapas Livres", "gps Garmin",
isto é, as palavras que vc acha que as pessoas digitarão numa pesquisa no
Google. Seja no corpo do post ou nos títulos.
Pode instalar esse plugin
http://www.arnebrachhold.de/projects/wordpress-plugins/google-xml-sitemaps-generator/que
é um plugin para SEO. Se vc postar diariamente, configure-o para os
robots do google pegar o artigo xml gerado, diariamente. Como  o assunto OSM
não é uma área muito comentada (concorrida) aqui no Brasil, logo logo teu
site estará no topo.

Qualquer dúvida tamos ae.

"Eu não vejo como utilizar os dados do Tracksource no OpenStreetMap, mas
seguramente as pessoas que colaboram por lá se sentiriam muito mais
motivadas a colaborar aqui se conhecerem o OSM"

Isto é verdade. Só o argumento de que se a Garmin deixar de existir, todo o
trabalho pode ser perdido, é um grande motivo de questionamento.

Além do mais, todos aqueles que participam daquela listas são pessoas que
tem GPS e estão sempre viajando. Este é o verdadeiro motivo deles estarem
contribuindo lá.

Abç,

Fernando.
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[Talk-br] Rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Jane iro

[Arlindo Pereira]

Senhores,

após 8h de edição no Potlatch (!), tenho o prazer de vos apresentar a
primeira rota de ônibus interestadual do OpenStreetMap:

São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro (1001) -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835

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Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 19, assunto 27

[Vitor George]

Olá,

Eu não tenho nenhuma experiência em wordpress, mas instalei um no
mapaslivres.org/blog. Ainda não tem nada lá, mas pretendo colocar artigos e
tutoriais aí. Pelo que você me disse, deve melhorar a posição do Mapas
Livres no buscador.

Eu não vejo como utilizar os dados do Tracksource no OpenStreetMap, mas
seguramente as pessoas que colaboram por lá se sentiriam muito mais
motivadas a colaborar aqui se conhecerem o OSM.

É só uma questão de divulgação. Por isso, é bom fazer circular as novidades
do Mapas Livres por toda parte.

Abs,
Vitor

2010/4/24 Fernando Caldas 

> Olá Vitor.
>
> "Alguém manja de SEO? Seria interessante que alguém buscasse "mapas garmin"
> no google aparecesse o Mapas Livres entre os primeiros."
>
> Tens alguma experiência com o Wordpress?
>
> Pergunto porque nos sites feitos com sistemas CMS (wordpress, joomla,
> drupal etc), existem plugins que ajudam e muito no SEO. Esse trabalho
> depende de vários fatores, principalmente a inclusão de conteúdo constante,
> seja comentários, artigos etc. Quanto mais participação, links externos etc,
> melhor a posição nos buscadores.
>
> Seria interessante voce começar a colocar seus conteúdos em um desses CMS.
> O wordpress é mais popular e por isso a linha de aprendizagem é melhor. Se
> quiser, tem a lista do wordpress-brasil, a rapaziada é bem legal e pode te
> dar várias dicas.
> Faça-nos uma visita em
> http://groups.google.com.br/group/wordpress-brasil?hl=pt-BR e participe do
> grupo.
>
> Dei uma lida na lista do 
> http://www.portalgps.com.br,
>   com a questão levantada pelo Arlindo nesta lista, e acho válido os
> argumentos usados em relação à unificação dos dados. Percebí que alguns
> membros daquela lista concordaram com esses argumentos.
> Com a tua idéia de divulgação do Mapas Livres pode ser que se consiga uma
> maior atenção para o projeto.
>
> Gostei do vídeo "Aprenda como mapear" publicado no Mapas Livres, deu prá
> dar uma clareada. Seria legal postar algo como, "inserir ruas ou pontos
> através dos dados do gps".
>
> Abç,
>
> Fernandoccaldas.
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Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 19, assunto 27

[Fernando Caldas]

Olá Vitor.

"Alguém manja de SEO? Seria interessante que alguém buscasse "mapas garmin"
no google aparecesse o Mapas Livres entre os primeiros."

Tens alguma experiência com o Wordpress?

Pergunto porque nos sites feitos com sistemas CMS (wordpress, joomla, drupal
etc), existem plugins que ajudam e muito no SEO. Esse trabalho depende de
vários fatores, principalmente a inclusão de conteúdo constante, seja
comentários, artigos etc. Quanto mais participação, links externos etc,
melhor a posição nos buscadores.

Seria interessante voce começar a colocar seus conteúdos em um desses CMS. O
wordpress é mais popular e por isso a linha de aprendizagem é melhor. Se
quiser, tem a lista do wordpress-brasil, a rapaziada é bem legal e pode te
dar várias dicas.
Faça-nos uma visita em
http://groups.google.com.br/group/wordpress-brasil?hl=pt-BR e participe do
grupo.

Dei uma lida na lista do
http://www.portalgps.com.br,
 com a questão levantada pelo Arlindo nesta lista, e acho válido os
argumentos usados em relação à unificação dos dados. Percebí que alguns
membros daquela lista concordaram com esses argumentos.
Com a tua idéia de divulgação do Mapas Livres pode ser que se consiga uma
maior atenção para o projeto.

Gostei do vídeo "Aprenda como mapear" publicado no Mapas Livres, deu prá dar
uma clareada. Seria legal postar algo como, "inserir ruas ou pontos através
dos dados do gps".

Abç,

Fernandoccaldas.
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[Talk-br] Video Introdutório ao OpenStreetMap

[Vitor George]

Praqueles que não seguem o @mapaslivres no twitter: http://is.gd/bGwBd
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Reordenar membros de relações

[Arlindo Pereira]

No fim das contas, foi um problema de tradução:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/4943

Vamos tomar cuidado com os símbolos especiais na tradução, tava dando
defeito por causa de um "{" que na tradução estava como "(".

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Em 24 de abril de 2010 17:09, Aun Yngve Johnsen escreveu:

> JOSM tem como reordenar os membros de relacoes, nao sei com Potlatch ou
> outros editores
>
>
>  brgds
> Aun Johnsen
>
>
>
> On 24/04/2010, at 16:42, Arlindo Pereira wrote:
>
> Alguém aí usa relações e consegue reordenar os membros delas?
>
> Tou criando a rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro -
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835 - mas esqueci de
> adicionar como membro o nó da rodoviária tietê, e agora não consigo botá-lo
> como primeiro na relação. Potlatch e Merkaartor não fazem, o JOSM diz que
> faz mas crasha. Alguma ideia?
>
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Reordenar membros de relações

[Aun Yngve Johnsen]

JOSM tem como reordenar os membros de relacoes, nao sei com Potlatch  
ou outros editores



brgds
Aun Johnsen



On 24/04/2010, at 16:42, Arlindo Pereira wrote:


Alguém aí usa relações e consegue reordenar os membros delas?

Tou criando a rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835 
 - mas esqueci de adicionar como membro o nó da rodoviária tietê, e  
agora não consigo botá-lo como primeiro na relação. Potlatch e  
Merkaartor não fazem, o JOSM diz que faz mas crasha. Alguma ideia?


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[Talk-br] Fwd: Reordenar membros de relações

[Arlindo Pereira]

Alguém aí usa relações e consegue reordenar os membros delas?

Tou criando a rota de ônibus São Paulo-Rio de Janeiro -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/574835 - mas esqueci de
adicionar como membro o nó da rodoviária tietê, e agora não consigo botá-lo
como primeiro na relação. Potlatch e Merkaartor não fazem, o JOSM diz que
faz mas crasha. Alguma ideia?

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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Arlindo Pereira]

Aí é questão de corrigir o editor. Na minha prática de edição (maioria com o
Potlatch) raramente eu tive de inverter uma via.

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2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 

> correto,
>
> mas e as tags que o editor "ainda" não conhece? é uma abordagem um
> pouco frágil, acharia melhor uma referencia "espacial" tipo
> tag_name:SW, tag_name:NE - mas aí o usuário tem que ter a noção dos
> pontos cardeais no local.
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Arlindo Pereira
>  wrote:
> > Acho que isso é algo que o editor deveria ter a inteligência de notar e
> > inverter a tag. Tipo um "don't tag for the editor" ao invés de "renderer"
> :D
> >
> > []s
> >
> > 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
> >>
> >> no esquema right/left, mesmo,
> >>
> >> não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
> >> esquerda e ferra tudo
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
> >>  wrote:
> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
> >> >
> >> > []s
> >> >
> >> > 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
> >> >>
> >> >> onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
> >> >> resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que
> o
> >> >> > cara
> >> >> > fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > []s
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- Forwarded message --
> >> >> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
> >> >> > Date: 2010/4/23
> >> >> > Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
> >> >> > To: Kay Drangmeister 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline,
> >> >> > because
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about
> parking=yes,
> >> >> > one
> >> >> > could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking,
> >> >> > instead
> >> >> > of a
> >> >> > different tag like with underscore.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > together with this proposal?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
> >> >> > suggest a
> >> >> > quick tool to do this?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your
> proposal.
> >> >> > Would
> >> >> > you mind rendering this area -
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
> >> >> > - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered,
> >> >> > so
> >> >> > many
> >> >> > roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
> >> >> > parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
> >> >> > manually
> >> >> > changed on Potlatch)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hello Arlindo,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
> >> >> >> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> >> Kay
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hello Nighto!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
> >> >> >> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
> >> >> >> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
> >> >> >> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost
> identical
> >> >> >> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please have a look:
> >> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
> >> >> >> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
> >> >> >> on a development server at the osm site.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please also have a look here:
> >> >> >> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down
> and
> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm
> >> >> >> database.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
> >> >> >> limited
> >> >> >> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only
> >> >> >> know
> >> >> >> the german and english ones).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal?
> >> >> >> Please
> >> >> >> note that although our 

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Claudomiro Nascimento Junior]

correto,

mas e as tags que o editor "ainda" não conhece? é uma abordagem um
pouco frágil, acharia melhor uma referencia "espacial" tipo
tag_name:SW, tag_name:NE - mas aí o usuário tem que ter a noção dos
pontos cardeais no local.

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Arlindo Pereira
 wrote:
> Acho que isso é algo que o editor deveria ter a inteligência de notar e
> inverter a tag. Tipo um "don't tag for the editor" ao invés de "renderer" :D
>
> []s
>
> 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
>>
>> no esquema right/left, mesmo,
>>
>> não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
>> esquerda e ferra tudo
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
>>  wrote:
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
>> >
>> > []s
>> >
>> > 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
>> >>
>> >> onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
>> >> resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
>> >> > cara
>> >> > fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>> >> >
>> >> > []s
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Forwarded message --
>> >> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
>> >> > Date: 2010/4/23
>> >> > Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
>> >> > To: Kay Drangmeister 
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with
>> >> > the
>> >> > message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
>> >> >
>> >> > I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline,
>> >> > because
>> >> > if
>> >> > a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes,
>> >> > one
>> >> > could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking,
>> >> > instead
>> >> > of a
>> >> > different tag like with underscore.
>> >> >
>> >> > Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can
>> >> > work
>> >> > together with this proposal?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
>> >> > suggest a
>> >> > quick tool to do this?)
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
>> >> > Would
>> >> > you mind rendering this area -
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
>> >> > - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered,
>> >> > so
>> >> > many
>> >> > roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
>> >> > parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
>> >> > manually
>> >> > changed on Potlatch)
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hello Arlindo,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
>> >> >> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best regards,
>> >> >> Kay
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hello Nighto!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
>> >> >> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
>> >> >> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
>> >> >> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
>> >> >> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please have a look:
>> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
>> >> >> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
>> >> >> on a development server at the osm site.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please also have a look here:
>> >> >> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm
>> >> >> database.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
>> >> >> limited
>> >> >> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> the german and english ones).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal?
>> >> >> Please
>> >> >> note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is
>> >> >> essentially
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
>> >> >> namespace,
>> >> >> and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
>> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
>> >> >> easily changed, if you wish.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
>> >> >> text here:
>> 

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Arlindo Pereira]

Acho que isso é algo que o editor deveria ter a inteligência de notar e
inverter a tag. Tipo um "don't tag for the editor" ao invés de "renderer" :D

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2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 

> no esquema right/left, mesmo,
>
> não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
> esquerda e ferra tudo
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
>  wrote:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
> >
> > []s
> >
> > 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
> >>
> >> onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
> >> resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
> >> > cara
> >> > fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
> >> >
> >> > http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >> >
> >> > []s
> >> >
> >> > -- Forwarded message --
> >> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
> >> > Date: 2010/4/23
> >> > Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
> >> > To: Kay Drangmeister 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
> >> > message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
> >> >
> >> > I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline,
> because
> >> > if
> >> > a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes,
> >> > one
> >> > could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking,
> instead
> >> > of a
> >> > different tag like with underscore.
> >> >
> >> > Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can
> work
> >> > together with this proposal?
> >> >
> >> > I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
> >> > suggest a
> >> > quick tool to do this?)
> >> >
> >> > Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
> >> > Would
> >> > you mind rendering this area -
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
> >> > - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so
> >> > many
> >> > roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
> >> > parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
> >> > manually
> >> > changed on Potlatch)
> >> >
> >> > 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello Arlindo,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
> >> >> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> Kay
> >> >>
> >> >> -
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello Nighto!
> >> >>
> >> >> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
> >> >> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
> >> >> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
> >> >> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
> >> >> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Please have a look:
> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
> >> >> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
> >> >> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
> >> >> on a development server at the osm site.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please also have a look here:
> >> >> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >> >>
> >> >> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and
> all
> >> >> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm
> database.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
> >> >> limited
> >> >> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only
> know
> >> >> the german and english ones).
> >> >>
> >> >> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
> >> >> note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is
> essentially
> >> >> the
> >> >> same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
> >> >> namespace,
> >> >> and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
> >> >> easily changed, if you wish.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
> >> >> text here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
> >> >>
> >> >> If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
> >> >> happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
> >> >> bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
> >> >>
> >> >> I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
> >> >> themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Claudomiro Nascimento Junior]

no esquema right/left, mesmo,

não gosto muito disso não. o cara inverte a via e aí direita vira
esquerda e ferra tudo

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Arlindo Pereira
 wrote:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
>
> []s
>
> 2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 
>>
>> onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
>> resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
>>  wrote:
>> > Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
>> > cara
>> > fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
>> >
>> > http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>> >
>> > []s
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
>> > Date: 2010/4/23
>> > Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
>> > To: Kay Drangmeister 
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
>> > message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
>> >
>> > I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline, because
>> > if
>> > a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes,
>> > one
>> > could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking, instead
>> > of a
>> > different tag like with underscore.
>> >
>> > Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can work
>> > together with this proposal?
>> >
>> > I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
>> > suggest a
>> > quick tool to do this?)
>> >
>> > Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
>> > Would
>> > you mind rendering this area -
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
>> > - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so
>> > many
>> > roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
>> > parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already
>> > manually
>> > changed on Potlatch)
>> >
>> > 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
>> >>
>> >> Hello Arlindo,
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
>> >> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Kay
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >>
>> >> Hello Nighto!
>> >>
>> >> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
>> >> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
>> >> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
>> >> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
>> >> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
>> >>
>> >> Please have a look:
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
>> >> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
>> >> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
>> >> on a development server at the osm site.
>> >>
>> >> Please also have a look here:
>> >> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>> >>
>> >> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and all
>> >> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm database.)
>> >>
>> >> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
>> >> limited
>> >> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only know
>> >> the german and english ones).
>> >>
>> >> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
>> >> note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is essentially
>> >> the
>> >> same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
>> >> namespace,
>> >> and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
>> >> easily changed, if you wish.
>> >>
>> >> I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
>> >> text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
>> >>
>> >> If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
>> >> happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
>> >> bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
>> >>
>> >> I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
>> >> themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
>> >>
>> >> Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
>> >> Kay
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Arlindo Pereira]

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking

[]s

2010/4/24 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior 

> onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
> resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
>  wrote:
> > Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o
> cara
> > fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
> >
> > http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >
> > []s
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
> > Date: 2010/4/23
> > Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
> > To: Kay Drangmeister 
> >
> >
> > Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
> > message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
> >
> > I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline, because
> if
> > a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes, one
> > could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking, instead
> of a
> > different tag like with underscore.
> >
> > Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can work
> > together with this proposal?
> >
> > I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you
> suggest a
> > quick tool to do this?)
> >
> > Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal.
> Would
> > you mind rendering this area -
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
> > - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so
> many
> > roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
> > parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already manually
> > changed on Potlatch)
> >
> > 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
> >>
> >> Hello Arlindo,
> >>
> >> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
> >> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Kay
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> Hello Nighto!
> >>
> >> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
> >> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
> >> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
> >>
> >> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
> >> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
> >> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
> >>
> >> Please have a look:
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
> >>
> >>
> >> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
> >> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
> >> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
> >> on a development server at the osm site.
> >>
> >> Please also have a look here:
> >> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
> >>
> >> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and all
> >> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm database.)
> >>
> >> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit
> limited
> >> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only know
> >> the german and english ones).
> >>
> >> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
> >> note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is essentially
> the
> >> same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml
> namespace,
> >> and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
> >> easily changed, if you wish.
> >>
> >> I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
> >> text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
> >>
> >> If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
> >> happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
> >> bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
> >>
> >> I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
> >> themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
> >>
> >> Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
> >> Kay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal

[Claudomiro Nascimento Junior]

onde está a documentação das tag propostas? queria ver como ele
resolve a questão de lado direito/lado esquerdo

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Arlindo Pereira
 wrote:
> Olha so que foda a proposta de tagueamento para estacionamentos que o cara
> fez! Com rendering e tudo... :)
>
> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>
> []s
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Arlindo Pereira 
> Date: 2010/4/23
> Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap Parking Proposal
> To: Kay Drangmeister 
>
>
> Hi there Kay, sorry for the long time I took to answer. Happy with the
> message. Have you been to SoTM 2009? I was there :)
>
> I really liked your proposal, way more than mine with underline, because if
> a parser doesn't know about parking:lane but knows about parking=yes, one
> could deduce that parking:* means there's some kind of parking, instead of a
> different tag like with underscore.
>
> Would you mind moving the page from under your User:page so we can work
> together with this proposal?
>
> I'm also slowly changing mine parking_lane to parking:lane (do you suggest a
> quick tool to do this?)
>
> Also, I loved that you already hacked Mapnik to render your proposal. Would
> you mind rendering this area -
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-22.9239&lon=-43.1784&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
> - so I can see how it looks like? I live where the map is centered, so many
> roads are already tagged with parking_lane (and will be changed to
> parking:lane ASAP, perhaps when you're reading this I've already manually
> changed on Potlatch)
>
> 2010/4/21 Kay Drangmeister 
>>
>> Hello Arlindo,
>>
>> I'm trying with another email address, because the first one
>> might not have worked. Please see below :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kay
>>
>> -
>>
>> Hello Nighto!
>>
>> Warm greetings from Germany. I am very happy that there's another
>> similar thinking OSMer halfway around the globe. I just read about
>> your parking proposal, and I very much like it.
>>
>> I was thinking about quite some time now (a year or so) about the
>> very same thing, and came up with a proposal that's almost identical
>> to your one, just replace the : in my proposal with _ in yours :-)
>>
>> Please have a look:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking
>>
>>
>> I was somewhat reluctant to make it an official proposal before I was
>> able to put up a rendering on a big server. I managed to prepare
>> a rendering on my PC at home, and I already have allocated space
>> on a development server at the osm site.
>>
>> Please also have a look here:
>> http://parking.openstreetmap.de/
>>
>> (Please note: this is still my private PC, slow, sometimes down and all
>> that. It is to be replaced in a couple of days with the osm database.)
>>
>> I would be very happy if we could combine our efforts. I am a bit limited
>> in my knowledge about all the possible parking conditions (I only know
>> the german and english ones).
>>
>> Would you mind merging our two pages to one official proposal? Please
>> note that although our syntax looks a bit different, it is essentially the
>> same, and although I like a bit the : because it looks like xml namespace,
>> and is already used e.g. in the address tags (please see
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address) my programming could be
>> easily changed, if you wish.
>>
>> I could provide you with the main proposal text and some discussion
>> text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Kay_D/parking
>>
>> If you already have entered some tags on streets, I would be very
>> happy to extend the map data to your county (currently I only have
>> bavaria, a part of germany; a large part of Würzburg is tagged).
>>
>> I think people will only accept a proposal if they can test rendering
>> themselves, so I hope I can help you/us with our proposal with it!
>>
>> Kind greetings from Würzburg in Germany,
>> Kay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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