Re: [Talk-ca] Wiki edits - Hydrography

[Sam Vekemans]

P.S. Im now fixing up the rules.txt file.  The changes should be made
available for canvec2osm v0.06   Thanks again for the edits :-)

Sam
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[Talk-ca] Wiki edits - Hydrography

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi thanks for all the edits :)
1 - I like the new table edit, where 3 lines are merges into 1 ... that
makes sence ... and saves in space making the chart smaller. ...
When i go through the other charts again, i'll be fixing that.

2 - I saw you indicated that more of the Features are listed in NHN than i
have indicated.

The source for my assumption that items were in geobase is from the CanVec
PDF map features cart, where it lists weather or not the item is in fact IN
geobase.

So my assumption is that the charts already were correct???

So to elevate this quarry, i propose that a link to the GeoBase NHN chart is
made available (link to it), and in the NHN chart, these same map features
get listed.

Anyway, when looking over the latest verion of canvec2osm, i see that those
items that were put in the 'geobase' folder,.. are actually very good.  IMO.

I havent yet (but i should) dig into geobase and download for myself the NHN
area of Niagra falls.. I can then make the same import script using the
shp-to-osm Java script, and add in all of the database columns, with the
appropriate source tags.

I would recommend my method, rather than using the geobase2osm script.
This is because for Hydrography, there is very little to no actual
'duplicates'.   So searching the area to find any duplicates is very easy
going about it the manual way.

Also, i do have a bias about geobase2osm (that is that i do not understand
HOW to actually run the script)  For me, running a java script is simple,
because Java is already installed on windows machines when your on the net.
 .. perl & python is VERY confusing :-)

However, like NHN, the canvec2osm features DO cover a WHOLE LOT of data.. so
taking on the next phase is some extra work. ... which i think also needs to
be done.

That said, i would propose that once im mostly done the charts and matching
up all the features which is NOT in GeoBase, that i hold off on pushing for
import.  Then I can start work on the GeoBaseNHN2osm.bat script

Has anyone already started it?

Oh ya, and 1 last point.

For where it says "Is in GeoBase – do not use - N/A in OSM" I would like to
challenge each of these statements and explain WHY ie.
39- Manmade hydrographic entity - (Entité hydrographique
anthropique)1450009[image:
Image:Mf_node.png]
 [image:
way]  [image:
area]Wharf
- ( Quai )A structure built along or at an angle to the shore of navigable
waters so that ships may lie alongside to receive and discharge cargo and
passengers.1450080;1450081;1450082Is in GeoBase – do not use - N/A in OSM

A "warf" is certainly applicable in OSM, at some point boaters will be able
to use OSM, as they can help fix the charts and map the oceans. ... :-)
 (once boaters see the awesome power of community mapping, that is.)


Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails
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Re: [Talk-ca] canvec2osm v0.05 is now available

[Moreau , Jean-Sébastien]

Hi Sam,

 

I would be interested to take a look at the source files of your script. Is it 
available somewhere?

 

 Jean-Sebastien Moreau


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[mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Sam Vekemans
Sent: March 3, 2009 5:47 AM
To: t...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: [Talk-ca] canvec2osm v0.05 is now available

 

Hi everyone!

canvec2osm v0.05 is now available to view & comment.

You can download it from the wiki

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm

I have gone over in detail the 'transportation' and 'buildings &
structures' themes; thanks to those on the talk-ca list and everyone who 
emailed me, its better now.
The other themes are also all entered & mostly good, but for this version it 
isn't top notch.

And so, as a reminder like before .. please DONT upload any of this data to 
OSM, as the script is not fully complete.

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

P.S. The best way i found is to open up a second window of JOSM and view all 
the files at once so you can see it all. Then from the 1st JOSM window open up 
just 1 file your interested in viewing.. then download the OSM area to view 
what it would look like. Again, don't upload anything :-) I'm looking for 
feedback on how these features can be better tagged. 

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[Talk-ca] canvec2osm v0.05 is now available

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi everyone!

canvec2osm v0.05 is now available to view & comment.

You can download it from the wiki

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm

I have gone over in detail the 'transportation' and 'buildings &
structures' themes; thanks to those on the talk-ca list and everyone who
emailed me, its better now.
The other themes are also all entered & mostly good, but for this version it
isn't top notch.

And so, as a reminder like before .. please DONT upload any of this data to
OSM, as the script is not fully complete.

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

P.S. The best way i found is to open up a second window of JOSM and view all
the files at once so you can see it all. Then from the 1st JOSM window open
up just 1 file your interested in viewing.. then download the OSM area to
view what it would look like. Again, don't upload anything :-) I'm looking
for feedback on how these features can be better tagged.

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Mapat
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Re: [Talk-ca] [nzopengis] Re: OpenStreetMap LINZ?

[Sam Vekemans]

Me too, Although im still in the editing stage, the shp-to-osm.jar script
works great as an easy and simple converter. (easier than shp2osm.py or .pl)
IMO
Have you guys tried it with your data?

I havent heard anything (nor did i ask) if it effects the GeoBase/CanVec
import. Just reading the ODBL wiki page, trying to grasp it.  ... most
likely it doesn't (otherwise i would have heard something by now) :-)

But it think it's a good idea, to double check the source=* tags im using,
and the method of import noted.   and to check with the main
t...@openstreetmap.org list so this issue (bulk importing) can be addressed.

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

P.S. im happy to help share my experiences with this project so then the
linz import will be even easier & better :)   - Just ask :)

PPS. I too have a hunch that manual mapping in Canada has slowed down. ..
and caused me to speed up ... fortunately the weather is on my side :-)


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Robin Paulson wrote:

>
> 2009/3/3 Eliot :
> > I'm curious if there has been any progress on the OSM + LINZ data
> > front in the last 6 months or so?
> >
> > Is anybody working on it, progress or not?
> >
> > If the import is going to proceed "soon", then maybe I should save my
> > effort on entering new street data etc...
>
> nothing directly, but the new osm license, which we were advised to
> wait for, is going live in the next few weeks i believe
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License
>
>
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-February/001958.html
>
> for more info
>
> when that's in place, we should be in a better position to know how we
> need to attribute the linz data, and can proceed with the technical
> stuff
>
> regarding manual mapping, this is something that's troubled me, and
> caused me to stop for a few weeks last year - i don't know the answer.


>
> any opinions anyone?
>
> does any one know what is the quality of the linz data?
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