Re: [Talk-ca] Grand Manan Coastlinesb

[Paul Norman]

Looks like another botched CanVec coastal import. Tracing out who broke what
is more trouble than it's worth, but it looks like the506 did the import and
then willsiddall did some edits which revealed the problems.

 

I think I've fixed the worst of the problems. There were a lot of ways in
one-member multipolygons and the fix was deleting the multipolygon.

 

From: nicholas ingalls [mailto:nicholas.inga...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:24 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-ca] Grand Manan Coastlinesb

 

Hey all, 

I'm going to be heading to Grand Manan for a bit of a vacation in the coming
weeks. I was in the process of downloading the data that we have when I
noticed that the coastlines are a complete mess. Most of the small islands
around Grand Manan are flooded, and Grand Manan itself as sections that JOSM
shows as flooded. I don't have much experience dealing with relations so I
was wondering if someone could fix this up for me? Hopefully it wouldn't be
too big a job as most of the islands that are flooded are small in size.

Cheers,
Ingalls

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[Talk-ca] Grand Manan Coastlinesb

[nicholas ingalls]

Hey all,

I'm going to be heading to Grand Manan for a bit of a vacation in the
coming weeks. I was in the process of downloading the data that we have
when I noticed that the coastlines are a complete mess. Most of the small
islands around Grand Manan are flooded, and Grand Manan itself as sections
that JOSM shows as flooded. I don't have much experience dealing with
relations so I was wondering if someone could fix this up for me? Hopefully
it wouldn't be too big a job as most of the islands that are flooded are
small in size.

Cheers,
Ingalls
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[Talk-ca] Mapping party today in Montreal - OSM?

[Fabian Rodriguez]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone on this list contributing to OSM is going to
this event today:
http://journeedaccessibilite.eventbrite.com/

It's being advertised as a "mapping party" although I don't see any
mention of OSM there or on the Montréal Accessible website. In fact
their prototype using Google Maps:
http://montrealaccessible.ca

I've asked the organizers directly, I hope such data can be added to OSM
if no other sources currently exist. Another member of Libre Planet
Quebec and myself will most probably be there today to encourage using
OSM too. I know at least another OSM contributor from the Montreal area
is coming too.

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://fsf.magicfab.ca





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Re: [Talk-ca] Tr : [OSGeo-qc] Données ouvertes : gouvernement du Québec...

[Paul Norman]

> -Original Message-
> From: Fabian Rodriguez [mailto:magic...@member.fsf.org]
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:16 AM
> To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Tr : [OSGeo-qc] Données ouvertes : gouvernement
> du Québec...
> 
> On 06/30/2012 03:51 AM, Frank Steggink wrote:
> > Nicolas, thanks a lot for the data and the information!
> >
> > Of course the first page I went to was the License page: [1]
> > Unfortunately this license doesn't seem to be compatible with any of
> > the current OSM licenses (neither CC-BY-SA nor ODbL).
> [...]
> 
> Speaking not only for this project but for others too, what license is
> best to be used when collection data, and making sure such data can be
> used in OSM without problems?

PDDL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/pddl/) leads to the easiest reuse
by different projects. It is used by Surrey, Langley and Winnipeg Transit.
It is unquestionably compatible with the license used by every project I am
aware of.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Tr : [OSGeo-qc] Données ouvertes : gouvernement du Québec...

[Fabian Rodriguez]

On 06/30/2012 03:51 AM, Frank Steggink wrote:
> Nicolas, thanks a lot for the data and the information!
>
> Of course the first page I went to was the License page: [1]
> Unfortunately this license doesn't seem to be compatible with any of
> the current OSM licenses (neither CC-BY-SA nor ODbL).
[...]

Speaking not only for this project but for others too, what license is
best to be used when collection data, and making sure such data can be
used in OSM without problems?

I am looking at the FAQ and it's clear what "our licence" is:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#XYZ_Organisation_has_data_for_free_download_under_licence_N._Can_I_use_it_in_OSM.3F

I'd tend to fave ODbL:
http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/

Thanks for clarifying this.

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://fsf.magcifab.ca





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Re: [Talk-ca] Tr : [OSGeo-qc] Données ouvertes : gouvernement du Québec...

[Frank Steggink]

Nicolas, thanks a lot for the data and the information!

Of course the first page I went to was the License page: [1] 
Unfortunately this license doesn't seem to be compatible with any of the 
current OSM licenses (neither CC-BY-SA nor ODbL). The reason is that the 
license states that it it "non transférable" (non-transferrable). Also 
the Province of Quebec reserves all intellectual property rights to this 
data: "L’Administration gouvernementale conserve tous les droits de 
propriété intellectuelle à l’égard des données ouvertes..." When the 
data would be uploaded into OSM, it would be inevitable that the data 
gets modified somehow, due to the fact that this is a crowdsourced project.


An option for OSM would be to get some special agreement that we can use 
this data under our own conditions. I don't know if this would be 
realistic. Nicolas, could you give your view on it, as an employee of 
the provincial government? What would be the best venue to come to some 
agreement? Are there any other options?


On the other hand: weren't the administrative boundaries of Quebec 
scheduled for inclusion in a future release of Canvec? Probably the 
Government of Quebec and NRCan have some kind of agreement on this.


Frank

[1] http://donnees.gouv.qc.ca/?node=/licence

On 30-6-2012 5:33, Nicolas Gignac wrote:
Pour votre info, il y a des données géographiques administratives sur 
le site de données ouvertes du Qc, voir ce jeu de données :

http://donnees.gouv.qc.ca/?node=/donnees-details&id=d6c535cb-b508-4cab-9a15-bdccd9433da4
Sur la page de téléchargement, voir la section "*Découpages 
administratifs**(mise à jour mai 2012)*" :

http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/territoire/portrait/portrait-donnees-mille.jsp
Évidemment, l'échelle de cette donnée est au 1 : 1 000 000.

Au plaisir,

Nicolas

Le 29 juin 2012 16:50, Pierre Béland > a écrit :


Je fais suivre le courriel de Nicolas Gignac adressé à la liste
OSGeo-qc concernant le nouveau site de données ouvertes du
gouvernement du Québec. Nous ne retrouvons pas les données de
limites administratives (ville, MRC, régions administratives).
Pourquoi ne pas les demander?

I forward the email sent to the OSGeo-qc list byNicolas Gignac
relatively to the Government of Québec Open Data site newly
created. We do not find the administrative boundaries data (city,
RCM, administrative region). Why not ask?

Pierre

- Mail transféré -
*De :* Nicolas Gignac mailto:gignac...@gmail.com>>
*À :* OSGeo-Quebec mailto:que...@lists.osgeo.org>>
*Envoyé le :* Vendredi 29 juin 2012 15h17
*Objet :* [OSGeo-qc] Données ouvertes : gouvernement du Québec...

Pour votre info, le site de données ouvertes du gouvernement
du Québec est maintenant officiellement en ligne depuis hier :
http://donnees.gouv.qc.ca 
La partie géomatique du site :
http://donnees.gouv.qc.ca/?node=/applications-geomatique est
supportée par le projet GOLOC qui intègre OpenLayers / GeoExt
et les couches WMS sont diffusées par UMN MapServer. Des
données brutes sont également disponibles en format Shapefile
et KML.
L'url du getcapabilities pour le WMS qui inclue certaines des
données ouvertes géographiques est le suivant :

http://geoegl.msp.gouv.qc.ca/cgi-wms/gouvouvertqc?request=getcapabilities&service=wms&version=1.1.1

Le site web en tant que tel est supporté par du code en JQuery
/ Php, avec un service de catalogue normé (Catalog Service for
the Web) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog_Service_for_the_Web
supporté par le projet international GeoNetwork
(http://geonetwork-opensource.org/), une base de données
PostgreSQL (www.postgresql.org/ )
et ses fonctionnalités PG de "full text searching" comme
"tsvector" et "trigram" pour la recherche du catalogue, tout
cela est monté sur deux serveurs Linux : OpenSuse et Ubuntu
Server ( pour GeoNetwork).

Si vous avez des données géographiques que vous aimeriez voir
sur le site de données ouvertes produites par le gouvernement
du Québec et qu'elles ne s'y retrouvent pas, veuillez faire
une demande de données en utilisant le formulaire disponible
en ligne sur le site :
http://donnees.gouv.qc.ca/?node=/demande-donnees


Au plaisir,

Nicolas

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