Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca
Pierre: Isn't it exactly Richard's point that the fact that they're choosing their own, non-standard licence means that we OSM contributors won't be able to answer your question? We -- or at least most of us -- are mappers, not IP lawyers. So maybe the licence is compatible, maybe it's not. Without paying a lawyer to find out for us, we won't be able to tell. It's frustrating, but that's what it is. Harald. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Pierre Béland wrote: > Richard, > > I understand that you would prefer that this evolves differently, but lets > focus on the subject and try to progress in the right direction. This url > http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=0D3F42BD-1 describe proposed > license for the government of Canada Open data site to be effective soon. > Following discussions with provincial governments some agree if not all to > use the same license. This is the case of the government of Quebec. > > Could OSM contributors help to progress in the right direction and comment > about the license? After that we will be able to focus on obtaining more > data. > > The questionI ask yout to answer : Is this proposed license compatible or > not to import data into OSM. > > > Pierre > > > De : Richard Weait > À : Pierre Béland > Cc : talk-ca > Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mars 2013 7h04 > Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca > > 2013/3/14 Pierre Béland > > > [ ... ] This license is said to be derived from the United Kingdom license > which is said to be compatible with the ODbL (and thus OSM ). > > I would appreciate your comments on this. > > > All right. You asked. :-) > > The governments, municipal, provincial and federal, who choose to create or > modify an Open Data license are hurting Open Data. The first stab wound was > the misguided Vancouver Open Data license and we have not yet stopped the > bleeding. > > Modifying an Open Data license is similar to declaring that "in my > municipality, we will use a modification of a standard electrical appliance > plug and socket." The plug from a Waterloo Region toaster may be > incompatible with an socket in Quebec City in obvious or subtle ways. > > Household appliances might move periodically when an owner moves, or when an > appliance is sent as a gift. Open Data, by definition, is intended to be > combined and compared and moved about, further and more often than a simple > appliance. > > We've been clever enough to standardize our appliance plugs across the > continent. It is important to standardize our Open Data licenses around the > world. > > Governments. Use the Open Data licenses drafted and curated by the Open > Data Commons at the Open Knowledge Foundation. You (governments) do not > have the mandate from your citizens to spend their money to learn the things > that you need to know about international data law that are required to > draft a rational Open Data license. To do so in each municipality and > province is a phenomenal waste of resources. And you don't have the mandate > to consume resources to maintain that license once you draft it. > International data law is new and evolving. You can't keep up. > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca
Well... Make it simple: That's more odbl compatible than "actual home-made canadian licences" Regard on that fact, that's OSM compatible So, this is a "Way to go" ! :) Bruno Remy Le 2013-03-15 10:18, "Pierre Béland" a écrit : > Richard, > > I understand that you would prefer that this evolves differently, but lets > focus on the subject and try to progress in the right direction. This url > http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=0D3F42BD-1 describe proposed > license for the government of Canada Open data site to be effective soon. > Following discussions with provincial governments some agree if not all to > use the same license. This is the case of the government of Quebec. > > Could OSM contributors help to progress in the right direction and comment > about the license? After that we will be able to focus on obtaining more > data. > > The questionI ask yout to answer : Is this proposed license compatible or > not to import data into OSM. > > > Pierre > > -- > *De :* Richard Weait > *À :* Pierre Béland > *Cc :* talk-ca > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 15 mars 2013 7h04 > *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca > > 2013/3/14 Pierre Béland > > > [ ... ] This license is said to be derived from the United Kingdom > license which is said to be compatible with the ODbL (and thus OSM ). > > I would appreciate your comments on this. > > > All right. You asked. :-) > > The governments, municipal, provincial and federal, who choose to create > or modify an Open Data license are hurting Open Data. The first stab wound > was the misguided Vancouver Open Data license and we have not yet stopped > the bleeding. > > Modifying an Open Data license is similar to declaring that "in my > municipality, we will use a modification of a standard electrical appliance > plug and socket." The plug from a Waterloo Region toaster may be > incompatible with an socket in Quebec City in obvious or subtle ways. > > Household appliances might move periodically when an owner moves, or when > an appliance is sent as a gift. Open Data, by definition, is intended to > be combined and compared and moved about, further and more often than a > simple appliance. > > We've been clever enough to standardize our appliance plugs across the > continent. It is important to standardize our Open Data licenses around > the world. > > Governments. Use the Open Data licenses drafted and curated by the Open > Data Commons at the Open Knowledge Foundation. You (governments) do not > have the mandate from your citizens to spend their money to learn the > things that you need to know about international data law that are required > to draft a rational Open Data license. To do so in each municipality and > province is a phenomenal waste of resources. And you don't have the > mandate to consume resources to maintain that license once you draft it. > International data law is new and evolving. You can't keep up. > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca
Richard, I understand that you would prefer that this evolves differently, but lets focus on the subject and try to progress in the right direction. This url http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=0D3F42BD-1 describe proposed license for the government of Canada Open data site to be effective soon. Following discussions with provincial governments some agree if not all to use the same license. This is the case of the government of Quebec. Could OSM contributors help to progress in the right direction and comment about the license? After that we will be able to focus on obtaining more data. The questionI ask yout to answer : Is this proposed license compatible or not to import data into OSM. Pierre > > De : Richard Weait >À : Pierre Béland >Cc : talk-ca >Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mars 2013 7h04 >Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca > > >2013/3/14 Pierre Béland > > >> >>[ ... ] This license is said to be derived from the United Kingdom license >>which is said to be compatible with the ODbL (and thus OSM ). >> >>I would appreciate your comments on this. > > >All right. You asked. :-) > > >The governments, municipal, provincial and federal, who choose to create or >modify an Open Data license are hurting Open Data. The first stab wound was >the misguided Vancouver Open Data license and we have not yet stopped the >bleeding. > >Modifying an Open Data license is similar to declaring that "in my >municipality, we will use a modification of a standard electrical appliance >plug and socket." The plug from a Waterloo Region toaster may be incompatible >with an socket in Quebec City in obvious or subtle ways. > > >Household appliances might move periodically when an owner moves, or when an >appliance is sent as a gift. Open Data, by definition, is intended to be >combined and compared and moved about, further and more often than a simple >appliance. > >We've been clever enough to standardize our appliance plugs across the >continent. It is important to standardize our Open Data licenses around the >world. > > >Governments. Use the Open Data licenses drafted and curated by the Open Data >Commons at the Open Knowledge Foundation. You (governments) do not have the >mandate from your citizens to spend their money to learn the things that you >need to know about international data law that are required to draft a >rational Open Data license. To do so in each municipality and province is a >phenomenal waste of resources. And you don't have the mandate to consume >resources to maintain that license once you draft it. International data law >is new and evolving. You can't keep up. > > >___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Licence donnees.gouv.qc.ca
2013/3/14 Pierre Béland > > [ ... ] This license is said to be derived from the United Kingdom > license which is said to be compatible with the ODbL (and thus OSM ). > > I would appreciate your comments on this. > All right. You asked. :-) The governments, municipal, provincial and federal, who choose to create or modify an Open Data license are hurting Open Data. The first stab wound was the misguided Vancouver Open Data license and we have not yet stopped the bleeding. Modifying an Open Data license is similar to declaring that "in my municipality, we will use a modification of a standard electrical appliance plug and socket." The plug from a Waterloo Region toaster may be incompatible with an socket in Quebec City in obvious or subtle ways. Household appliances might move periodically when an owner moves, or when an appliance is sent as a gift. Open Data, by definition, is intended to be combined and compared and moved about, further and more often than a simple appliance. We've been clever enough to standardize our appliance plugs across the continent. It is important to standardize our Open Data licenses around the world. Governments. Use the Open Data licenses drafted and curated by the Open Data Commons at the Open Knowledge Foundation. You (governments) do not have the mandate from your citizens to spend their money to learn the things that you need to know about international data law that are required to draft a rational Open Data license. To do so in each municipality and province is a phenomenal waste of resources. And you don't have the mandate to consume resources to maintain that license once you draft it. International data law is new and evolving. You can't keep up. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
