Re: [Talk-ca] National Railway Network - Réseau ferroviaire national

2013-11-26 Thread Matthew Buchanan 
Update on the GeoBase National Railway Network
-- get ready for a lot of links --

The Quebec dataset has been released. Only BC and Alberta still to be
produced.
http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrwn/index.html

The data is viewable on the GeoBase WMS viewer.
http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/viewer.jsp?group=nrwn

It seems that some of you have been concerned that this updated data would
replace railways already in OSM. That isn't something I would do. The NRWN
would be useful in areas where there was no railway data or it was the
railway data was from CanVec.  I looked around at the state of railway data
in OSM for Canada. Most of the major cities have up to date and complete
information. I looked at Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, and Montreal. On the
other hand, Thunder Bay railway data is from CanVec so it could be a
candidate for replacing with this data.

There is a handy map of railways on ITO that shows the gaps in the OSM
railway data.
http://www.itoworld.com/map/15?lon=-100.58520&lat=52.81867&zoom=5&fullscreen=true&fullscreen=true
GeoBase pages on OpenStreetMap Wiki that need to be updated for this new
layer.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GeoBase_Import
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GeoBase_WMS

I've made a spreadsheet on Google Docs showing how the NRWN attributes can
be related to standard OSM tags.
NRWN_2_OSM -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajc87bM-B1HSdG14VWQya1JBNkNlcGxFRmpKRW41V0E&usp=sharing


-- Matthew Buchanan
-- Kamloops, BC

I couldn't agree more. It is interesting to see also how it can replace the
current network (and by replace, I mean "oh no!!").

In most cities, the railway network has been improved with imagery and
commuter network stations, platforms, routes, etc. We have to be very
careful not to impact the improvements already done on OSM.

Thanks,
Olivier


>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Matthew Buchanan
>>  wrote:
>> > GeoBase now has railway data for most provinces. BC, Alberta, and
>> > Quebec will be released this fall.
>> >
>> > http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrwn/index.html
>> > http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/fr/data/nrwn/index.html
>> >
>> > I uploaded a small portion near Regina as a test. (the spurs only)
>> > http://osm.org/go/WjfQlb2zh-?m=
>> >
>> > There are a lot of extra attributes, only some of which will be
>> > useful. I plan to write a python script to translate some of the codes
>> > into an OSM standard, unless  someone has a better idea of how to do
>> > it.
>>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> It's great to have new datasets available for our inspection.  I'm not
>> clear from your email if you uploaded the small portion in the manner
>> of an import, or if you used all of the resources available including
>> the new data set to essentially map the data.  Just in case, I'll put
>> this link here,
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
>>
>> and remind everybody that no dataset, no matter how well curated or
>> well intended, can be imported into OpenStreetMap without very careful
>> planning and consultation in advance.
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel Begin 
The example I provided yesterday was not fixed.  Most the exits having a
similar look along the trans-Canada Highway in Quebec are the same. I have
also found examples in Alberta and In BC.

 

Daniel

 

From: Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: November-26-13 10:04
To: Daniel Begin
Cc: Connors, Bernie (SNB); Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

 

I can write an email to Martijn with a proposal. Does anyone have a link to
an exit that has not been fixed yet to use as an example?

 

 Harald.

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Begin  wrote:

It seems to me it is the only safe solution. I go for maproulette.org

Daniel

 

From: Connors, Bernie (SNB) [mailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca] 
Sent: November-26-13 08:19
To: 'Harald Kliems'; Daniel Begin
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

 

+1 for the Maproulette.org solution.

 

Bernie.

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From: Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 2013-11-25 5:05 PM
To: Daniel Begin
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Begin  wrote:

Hooo, I see, and I also see there was not a large consensus on that point
(Discussion) since all other ways are having a different behavior.

 

About all motorway_link in Canada are having the same problem!

I don't know, I rarely encounter this issue in practice. Adding oneway=no to
all motorway_link seems rather dangerous and counterproductive. The best
solution would probably be to create a query that will find all imported
motorway_link that have not been touched since the import and then check
them. Depending on how big the task is we could ask Martijn to set it up as
a Maproulette (http://maproulette.org/). Or we set up a wiki page to
coordinate people going through all the motorways/exits and make sure
everything is okay by hand. There are only 33 Autoroutes in Quebec after all
:-)

 

 Harald.

 





 

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Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

2013-11-26 Thread Harald Kliems 
I can write an email to Martijn with a proposal. Does anyone have a link to
an exit that has not been fixed yet to use as an example?

 Harald.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Begin  wrote:

> It seems to me it is the only safe solution. I go for maproulette.org
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> *From:* Connors, Bernie (SNB) [mailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca]
> *Sent:* November-26-13 08:19
> *To:* 'Harald Kliems'; Daniel Begin
> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
> *Subject:* RE: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...
>
>
>
> +1 for the Maproulette.org solution.
>
>
>
> Bernie.
>
> --
>
> Bernie Connors, P.Eng
>
> Tel: 506-444-2077
>
> bernie.conn...@snb.ca
>
> *SNB – We make it happen…*
>
> [image: SAG_Logo_2013]
>
>
>
> *From:* Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Monday, 2013-11-25 5:05 PM
> *To:* Daniel Begin
> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Begin  wrote:
>
> Hooo, I see, and I also see there was not a large consensus on that point
> (Discussion) since all other ways are having a different behavior…
>
>
>
> About all motorway_link in Canada are having the same problem!
>
> I don't know, I rarely encounter this issue in practice. Adding oneway=no
> to all motorway_link seems rather dangerous and counterproductive. The best
> solution would probably be to create a query that will find all imported
> motorway_link that have not been touched since the import and then check
> them. Depending on how big the task is we could ask Martijn to set it up as
> a Maproulette (http://maproulette.org/). Or we set up a wiki page to
> coordinate people going through all the motorways/exits and make sure
> everything is okay by hand. There are only 33 Autoroutes in Quebec after
> all :-)
>
>
>
>  Harald.
>
>
>



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Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel Begin 
It seems to me it is the only safe solution. I go for maproulette.org

Daniel

 

From: Connors, Bernie (SNB) [mailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca] 
Sent: November-26-13 08:19
To: 'Harald Kliems'; Daniel Begin
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

 

+1 for the Maproulette.org solution.

 

Bernie.

--

Bernie Connors, P.Eng

Tel: 506-444-2077 

bernie.conn...@snb.ca

SNB - We make it happen.

SAG_Logo_2013

 

From: Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 2013-11-25 5:05 PM
To: Daniel Begin
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Begin  wrote:

Hooo, I see, and I also see there was not a large consensus on that point
(Discussion) since all other ways are having a different behavior.

 

About all motorway_link in Canada are having the same problem!

I don't know, I rarely encounter this issue in practice. Adding oneway=no to
all motorway_link seems rather dangerous and counterproductive. The best
solution would probably be to create a query that will find all imported
motorway_link that have not been touched since the import and then check
them. Depending on how big the task is we could ask Martijn to set it up as
a Maproulette (http://maproulette.org/). Or we set up a wiki page to
coordinate people going through all the motorways/exits and make sure
everything is okay by hand. There are only 33 Autoroutes in Quebec after all
:-)

 

 Harald.

 

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Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...

2013-11-26 Thread Connors, Bernie (SNB) 
+1 for the Maproulette.org solution.

Bernie.
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Bernie Connors, P.Eng
Tel: 506-444-2077
bernie.conn...@snb.ca
SNB - We make it happen...
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From: Harald Kliems [mailto:kli...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 2013-11-25 5:05 PM
To: Daniel Begin
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...



On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Begin 
mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hooo, I see, and I also see there was not a large consensus on that point 
(Discussion) since all other ways are having a different behavior...

About all motorway_link in Canada are having the same problem!
I don't know, I rarely encounter this issue in practice. Adding oneway=no to 
all motorway_link seems rather dangerous and counterproductive. The best 
solution would probably be to create a query that will find all imported 
motorway_link that have not been touched since the import and then check them. 
Depending on how big the task is we could ask Martijn to set it up as a 
Maproulette (http://maproulette.org/). Or we set up a wiki page to coordinate 
people going through all the motorways/exits and make sure everything is okay 
by hand. There are only 33 Autoroutes in Quebec after all :-)

 Harald.

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