Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
I may not be a lawyerbut I agree with Tristan and John On Mar 1, 2016 6:47 PM, "John Marshall" wrote: > I agree Tristan > > John > > John Marshall > On Mar 1, 2016 18:43, "Tristan Anderson" > wrote: > >> Let's not be too hasty in removing large amounts of data, imported years >> ago and subsequently edited by several users in various ways, simply >> because it may or may not be compatible with a future OSM license. If you >> guys are 100% sure this import contravened ODbL, or if the City of Ottawa's >> lawyers contact OSM with concerns, then by all means redact it. But to me, >> and I admittedly don't know much when it comes to licensing, we should >> leave this alone for the time being. >> >> This isn't something that needs to be re-imported every year. Minor >> changes to the bus network that occur from time to time can be updated by >> hand by local users. I see some updates have already taken place since the >> import was made. As for duplicate bus stops resulting from a node >> predating the import: I've come across this at least once in the past in a >> neigbourhood I was editing after a recent visit to Ottawa. I merged the >> tags and deleted the more recent stop. >> >> -- >> To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> From: penor...@mac.com >> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:40:45 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa >> >> On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: >> >> I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the >> license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to >> City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it >> may have in OSM in the future. >> >> Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] >> >> Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data? >> >> Copyright incompatible data needs to be redacted, not just deleted. I'd >> normally be the one doing this, but I'm traveling today. >> >> >> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licensed_data_be_imported.3F >> >> ___ Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
I agree Tristan John John Marshall On Mar 1, 2016 18:43, "Tristan Anderson" wrote: > Let's not be too hasty in removing large amounts of data, imported years > ago and subsequently edited by several users in various ways, simply > because it may or may not be compatible with a future OSM license. If you > guys are 100% sure this import contravened ODbL, or if the City of Ottawa's > lawyers contact OSM with concerns, then by all means redact it. But to me, > and I admittedly don't know much when it comes to licensing, we should > leave this alone for the time being. > > This isn't something that needs to be re-imported every year. Minor > changes to the bus network that occur from time to time can be updated by > hand by local users. I see some updates have already taken place since the > import was made. As for duplicate bus stops resulting from a node > predating the import: I've come across this at least once in the past in a > neigbourhood I was editing after a recent visit to Ottawa. I merged the > tags and deleted the more recent stop. > > -- > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > From: penor...@mac.com > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:40:45 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa > > On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: > > I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the > license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to > City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it > may have in OSM in the future. > > Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] > > Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data? > > Copyright incompatible data needs to be redacted, not just deleted. I'd > normally be the one doing this, but I'm traveling today. > > > http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licensed_data_be_imported.3F > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
Let's not be too hasty in removing large amounts of data, imported years ago and subsequently edited by several users in various ways, simply because it may or may not be compatible with a future OSM license. If you guys are 100% sure this import contravened ODbL, or if the City of Ottawa's lawyers contact OSM with concerns, then by all means redact it. But to me, and I admittedly don't know much when it comes to licensing, we should leave this alone for the time being. This isn't something that needs to be re-imported every year. Minor changes to the bus network that occur from time to time can be updated by hand by local users. I see some updates have already taken place since the import was made. As for duplicate bus stops resulting from a node predating the import: I've come across this at least once in the past in a neigbourhood I was editing after a recent visit to Ottawa. I merged the tags and deleted the more recent stop. To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org From: penor...@mac.com Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:40:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it may have in OSM in the future. Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data? Copyright incompatible data needs to be redacted, not just deleted. I'd normally be the one doing this, but I'm traveling today. http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licensed_data_be_imported.3F ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
Note to James, I seem to recall Stats Canada addresses which have been imported recently were done through the open data portal Gov Canada. Perhaps Ottawa might like to release the GTFS data through there? Especially since it was given to Google without strings I understand. Cheerio John On 1 March 2016 at 09:02, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2016-03-01 07:19 AM, john whelan wrote: > > > > My understanding of the terms and conditions for uploading data is you > > have to give permission for OSM to change the license from ODBl. > > Isn't it more that the OSMF reserves the right to change the licence? > Ottawa's share-alike terms are incompatible with ODbL's share-alike > terms, so it has to go. > > Not sure about what Paul meant by redacted vs deleted. Either way, I've > never rolled a changeset back, and this wouldn't be a good first one for > me to try. > > cheers, > Stewart > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
On 2016-03-01 07:19 AM, john whelan wrote: > > My understanding of the terms and conditions for uploading data is you > have to give permission for OSM to change the license from ODBl. Isn't it more that the OSMF reserves the right to change the licence? Ottawa's share-alike terms are incompatible with ODbL's share-alike terms, so it has to go. Not sure about what Paul meant by redacted vs deleted. Either way, I've never rolled a changeset back, and this wouldn't be a good first one for me to try. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa
>Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] My understanding of the terms and conditions for uploading data is you have to give permission for OSM to change the license from ODBl. so yes its ODBl. at the moment but maybe something else in the future. Cheerio John On 1 March 2016 at 02:40, Paul Norman wrote: > On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: > > I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the > license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to > City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it > may have in OSM in the future. > > Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] > > Is anyone going to take the responsibility on for removing the data? > > Copyright incompatible data needs to be redacted, not just deleted. I'd > normally be the one doing this, but I'm traveling today. > > > http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#Can_third-party_ODbL-licensed_data_be_imported.3F > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
