Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread James 
Converting, DWG to DXF to open in qgis should be fun

On Oct 21, 2016 11:41 PM, "James"  wrote:

> Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and roads,
> driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 11:19 PM, "Stewart C. Russell"  wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-20 10:37 AM, James wrote:
>> >
>> > We seem to be turning in a circle around "building source data is not
>> > publicly available"
>>
>> These might be the source data:
>>  http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data
>> Unfortunately, it's a 3+ GB archive of DWG files that has taken nearly
>> two hours to partly download, so I can't tell you if it matches your
>> transformed data yet.
>>
>>  Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread James 
Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and roads,
driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file

On Oct 21, 2016 11:19 PM, "Stewart C. Russell"  wrote:

> On 2016-10-20 10:37 AM, James wrote:
> >
> > We seem to be turning in a circle around "building source data is not
> > publicly available"
>
> These might be the source data:
>  http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data
> Unfortunately, it's a 3+ GB archive of DWG files that has taken nearly
> two hours to partly download, so I can't tell you if it matches your
> transformed data yet.
>
>  Stewart
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread Stewart C. Russell 
On 2016-10-20 10:37 AM, James wrote:
> 
> We seem to be turning in a circle around "building source data is not
> publicly available"

These might be the source data:
 http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data
Unfortunately, it's a 3+ GB archive of DWG files that has taken nearly
two hours to partly download, so I can't tell you if it matches your
transformed data yet.

 Stewart


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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread Pavel Machek 
Hi!

>   Commitment to follow the rules
> 
> Please ensure that any documentation contains a commitment to follow the
> Import/Guidelines
>  and Automated
> Edits code of conduct
> .
> These are non-negotiable parts of participation in OSM imports. The
> Ottawa import very definitely falls under the definition of an Automated
> Edit.

Actually... I don't think this should be requirement. Import
guidelines are not a holy text, people should follow them, but...
what is next. Should they also include a poem explaining how
import guidelines are great and make openstreetmap more useful?

> While it is generally considered that OGL-CA is acceptable to OSM, the
> lingering third-party waiver issue is troubling. As the City of Ottawa
> almost certainly relied on third parties to collect and correct the

While you may find it troubling, requiring such waivers is going to
make imports impossible. (And openstreetmap useless).

>   Data deletion
> 
> While you will likely be able to show that some imported outlines are
> more accurate than existing tracings, please don't delete/overwrite
> community contributions. Also, under *no* circumstances delete

So you suggest we keep less accurate data in openstreetmap,
because...?

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread Denis Carriere 
I agree as well, we should be careful not to delete the history of the OSM
features.

It does take longer in the dense areas of the city, however in the rural
areas it's not a concern since there just isn't any buildings what so ever.

Great comment & concern,

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:17 PM, James  wrote:

> I agree with Pavel (about the guidelines being considered to be followed
> to a T, when guidelines by definition are what should be done)
>
> As for Ottawa relying on external sources to collect data/correct the
> data. Ottawa has a GIS team and surveyors and do said work internally. So
> they do own 100% of the data they are outputting.
>
> Pavel, I don't think it's a matter of keeping less accurate data vs not
> keeping it, it's more keeping the history attached to the object. If
> someone put many hours into initially making a map (say from 2008) and
> someone comes a long 8 years later and deletes it, you are no longer
> credited to the contribution of that object(I can see, now, why people were
> angry)
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Pavel Machek  wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> >   Commitment to follow the rules
>> >
>> > Please ensure that any documentation contains a commitment to follow the
>> > Import/Guidelines
>> >  and Automated
>> > Edits code of conduct
>> > .
>> > These are non-negotiable parts of participation in OSM imports. The
>> > Ottawa import very definitely falls under the definition of an Automated
>> > Edit.
>>
>> Actually... I don't think this should be requirement. Import
>> guidelines are not a holy text, people should follow them, but...
>> what is next. Should they also include a poem explaining how
>> import guidelines are great and make openstreetmap more useful?
>>
>> > While it is generally considered that OGL-CA is acceptable to OSM, the
>> > lingering third-party waiver issue is troubling. As the City of Ottawa
>> > almost certainly relied on third parties to collect and correct the
>>
>> While you may find it troubling, requiring such waivers is going to
>> make imports impossible. (And openstreetmap useless).
>>
>> >   Data deletion
>> >
>> > While you will likely be able to show that some imported outlines are
>> > more accurate than existing tracings, please don't delete/overwrite
>> > community contributions. Also, under *no* circumstances delete
>>
>> So you suggest we keep less accurate data in openstreetmap,
>> because...?
>>
>>
>> Pavel
>> --
>> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
>> (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.c
>> z/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2016-10-21 Thread James 
I agree with Pavel (about the guidelines being considered to be followed to
a T, when guidelines by definition are what should be done)

As for Ottawa relying on external sources to collect data/correct the data.
Ottawa has a GIS team and surveyors and do said work internally. So they do
own 100% of the data they are outputting.

Pavel, I don't think it's a matter of keeping less accurate data vs not
keeping it, it's more keeping the history attached to the object. If
someone put many hours into initially making a map (say from 2008) and
someone comes a long 8 years later and deletes it, you are no longer
credited to the contribution of that object(I can see, now, why people were
angry)

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Pavel Machek  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> >   Commitment to follow the rules
> >
> > Please ensure that any documentation contains a commitment to follow the
> > Import/Guidelines
> >  and Automated
> > Edits code of conduct
> > .
> > These are non-negotiable parts of participation in OSM imports. The
> > Ottawa import very definitely falls under the definition of an Automated
> > Edit.
>
> Actually... I don't think this should be requirement. Import
> guidelines are not a holy text, people should follow them, but...
> what is next. Should they also include a poem explaining how
> import guidelines are great and make openstreetmap more useful?
>
> > While it is generally considered that OGL-CA is acceptable to OSM, the
> > lingering third-party waiver issue is troubling. As the City of Ottawa
> > almost certainly relied on third parties to collect and correct the
>
> While you may find it troubling, requiring such waivers is going to
> make imports impossible. (And openstreetmap useless).
>
> >   Data deletion
> >
> > While you will likely be able to show that some imported outlines are
> > more accurate than existing tracings, please don't delete/overwrite
> > community contributions. Also, under *no* circumstances delete
>
> So you suggest we keep less accurate data in openstreetmap,
> because...?
>
>
> Pavel
> --
> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
> (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.
> cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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Re: [Talk-ca] MapRoulette challenges

2016-10-21 Thread James 
Oh they definitely should be added, then I can stop hearing my wife
complain when we use OSMAnd as a GPS and it doesnt say what the exit
description is via TTS

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Yes, they did, and they mainly focused on the main metros I believe. The
> remaining ones should be mainly outside of the larger urban areas. See
> http://maproulette.org/view/499 for locations of the tasks.
>
> Martijn
>
> Martijn van Exel
> http://mvexel.github.io/
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM, James  wrote:
>
>> I think mapbox covered this in a previous pass on the canadian
>> motorways(and documented this pretty well):
>> https://gist.github.com/manoharuss/3a1b4f640aaf2c052365fcb1ddb09beb
>> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/220
>> https://gist.github.com/poornibadrinath/9333f1489732c32c3ffadd58e3068b7e
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/poornibadrinath/diary/39246
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I hope you are aware of MapRoulette! If not, it's a micro-tasking tool
>>> for OSM where you can solve small problems / make small enhancements to OSM
>>> data in a randomized fashion.
>>>
>>> You may not be aware that there are quite a few Canada specific
>>> challenges already. One of them was drawn up by my colleagues at Telenav
>>> and I wanted to get your feedback. This is around motorway exits. We have
>>> had an extensive exit_to vs destination discussion about this in the US and
>>> this eventually came out clearly in favor of using destination. This is now
>>> the majority tag for exit signposts in the US. We identified ~1200 exits in
>>> Canada that don't use this yet. These are in challenge
>>> http://maproulette.org/map/499
>>>
>>> If you want to give it a try and send me feedback on this, I would
>>> appreciate it. There is pretty good OpenStreetView and also Mapillary
>>> coverage for many main highways in Canada already so most can be resolved
>>> without local knowledge.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] MapRoulette challenges

2016-10-21 Thread Martijn van Exel 
Yes, they did, and they mainly focused on the main metros I believe. The
remaining ones should be mainly outside of the larger urban areas. See
http://maproulette.org/view/499 for locations of the tasks.

Martijn

Martijn van Exel
http://mvexel.github.io/

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM, James  wrote:

> I think mapbox covered this in a previous pass on the canadian
> motorways(and documented this pretty well):
> https://gist.github.com/manoharuss/3a1b4f640aaf2c052365fcb1ddb09beb
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/220
> https://gist.github.com/poornibadrinath/9333f1489732c32c3ffadd58e3068b7e
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/poornibadrinath/diary/39246
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I hope you are aware of MapRoulette! If not, it's a micro-tasking tool
>> for OSM where you can solve small problems / make small enhancements to OSM
>> data in a randomized fashion.
>>
>> You may not be aware that there are quite a few Canada specific
>> challenges already. One of them was drawn up by my colleagues at Telenav
>> and I wanted to get your feedback. This is around motorway exits. We have
>> had an extensive exit_to vs destination discussion about this in the US and
>> this eventually came out clearly in favor of using destination. This is now
>> the majority tag for exit signposts in the US. We identified ~1200 exits in
>> Canada that don't use this yet. These are in challenge
>> http://maproulette.org/map/499
>>
>> If you want to give it a try and send me feedback on this, I would
>> appreciate it. There is pretty good OpenStreetView and also Mapillary
>> coverage for many main highways in Canada already so most can be resolved
>> without local knowledge.
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>> Martijn
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] MapRoulette challenges

2016-10-21 Thread James 
I think mapbox covered this in a previous pass on the canadian
motorways(and documented this pretty well):
https://gist.github.com/manoharuss/3a1b4f640aaf2c052365fcb1ddb09beb
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/220
https://gist.github.com/poornibadrinath/9333f1489732c32c3ffadd58e3068b7e
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/poornibadrinath/diary/39246

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I hope you are aware of MapRoulette! If not, it's a micro-tasking tool for
> OSM where you can solve small problems / make small enhancements to OSM
> data in a randomized fashion.
>
> You may not be aware that there are quite a few Canada specific challenges
> already. One of them was drawn up by my colleagues at Telenav and I wanted
> to get your feedback. This is around motorway exits. We have had an
> extensive exit_to vs destination discussion about this in the US and this
> eventually came out clearly in favor of using destination. This is now the
> majority tag for exit signposts in the US. We identified ~1200 exits in
> Canada that don't use this yet. These are in challenge http://maproulette.
> org/map/499
>
> If you want to give it a try and send me feedback on this, I would
> appreciate it. There is pretty good OpenStreetView and also Mapillary
> coverage for many main highways in Canada already so most can be resolved
> without local knowledge.
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Martijn
>
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[Talk-ca] MapRoulette challenges

2016-10-21 Thread Martijn van Exel 
Hi all,

I hope you are aware of MapRoulette! If not, it's a micro-tasking tool for
OSM where you can solve small problems / make small enhancements to OSM
data in a randomized fashion.

You may not be aware that there are quite a few Canada specific challenges
already. One of them was drawn up by my colleagues at Telenav and I wanted
to get your feedback. This is around motorway exits. We have had an
extensive exit_to vs destination discussion about this in the US and this
eventually came out clearly in favor of using destination. This is now the
majority tag for exit signposts in the US. We identified ~1200 exits in
Canada that don't use this yet. These are in challenge
http://maproulette.org/map/499

If you want to give it a try and send me feedback on this, I would
appreciate it. There is pretty good OpenStreetView and also Mapillary
coverage for many main highways in Canada already so most can be resolved
without local knowledge.

Thanks for your time!

Martijn
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