Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada
Lol Sent from Galaxy S7 From: Tim Elrick Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:49:48 PM To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, I agree with you. I didn't pay attention to the fact that Squamish is located in a hilly area. Greetings from Quebec's flatlands, Tim On 2020-03-22 14:16, Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Hi all, sorry for this long Email. Thanks to Tim to have comment! He wrote: “I [...] found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time. [...] If we assume that the aerial imagery data is the correctly projected [...], we would have to correct the position of all the buildings according to the underlying aerial imagery.” Well, you are right. Actually, I did not align most of the buildings to the image! Why? Because unless proven otherwise, ODB data should be more accurate (XY) than most images available, especially in hilly areas. Municipalities generally use aerial photos to create their maps (ODB data). Because these aerial photos provide multiple views of the same area, they can be used to compute digital elevation models (DEMs) showing even buildings’ height. Only once done, they can create accurate ortho-images (orthographic view [1]). Without an accurate DEM, objects location on an image is not accurate either, because we are in a perspective view [1]. The DEMs used to create available OSM images generally do not have a sufficient accuracy in mountainous areas. This is the case of the Squamish area where the image shows many examples of perspective views [1]. In flat areas, this effect is minimal, which makes it possible to adjust an image over a large region with a great accuracy. The only visible effect is then related to buildings’ height. Regarding the hospital, it is located on a hill between two plateaus. The image can be adjusted with a good accuracy on the flat area near the river, or on the plateau on the top of the hill (potentially with another offset), but it is more difficult in between. I tried to adjust its geometry (details) from its original ODB location. I adjust the image to surrounding buildings when I need to map a new one or add details to an existing one. I may also look at available GPS tracks to confirm general ODB data location. Thanks again. Comments? Daniel [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthophoto ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada
Hi Daniel, I agree with you. I didn't pay attention to the fact that Squamish is located in a hilly area. Greetings from Quebec's flatlands, Tim On 2020-03-22 14:16, Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Hi all, sorry for this long Email. Thanks to Tim to have comment! He wrote: “I [...] found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time. [...] If we assume that the aerial imagery data is the correctly projected [...], we would have to correct the position of all the buildings according to the underlying aerial imagery.” Well, you are right. Actually, I did not align most of the buildings to the image! Why? Because unless proven otherwise, ODB data should be more accurate (XY) than most images available, especially in hilly areas. Municipalities generally use aerial photos to create their maps (ODB data). Because these aerial photos provide multiple views of the same area, they can be used to compute digital elevation models (DEMs) showing even buildings’ height. Only once done, they can create accurate ortho-images (orthographic view [1]). Without an accurate DEM, objects location on an image is not accurate either, because we are in a perspective view [1]. The DEMs used to create available OSM images generally do not have a sufficient accuracy in mountainous areas. This is the case of the Squamish area where the image shows many examples of perspective views [1]. In flat areas, this effect is minimal, which makes it possible to adjust an image over a large region with a great accuracy. The only visible effect is then related to buildings’ height. Regarding the hospital, it is located on a hill between two plateaus. The image can be adjusted with a good accuracy on the flat area near the river, or on the plateau on the top of the hill (potentially with another offset), but it is more difficult in between. I tried to adjust its geometry (details) from its original ODB location. I adjust the image to surrounding buildings when I need to map a new one or add details to an existing one. I may also look at available GPS tracks to confirm general ODB data location. Thanks again. Comments? Daniel [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthophoto ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada
Hi all, sorry for this long Email. Thanks to Tim to have comment! He wrote: “I [...] found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time. [...] If we assume that the aerial imagery data is the correctly projected [...], we would have to correct the position of all the buildings according to the underlying aerial imagery.” Well, you are right. Actually, I did not align most of the buildings to the image! Why? Because unless proven otherwise, ODB data should be more accurate (XY) than most images available, especially in hilly areas. Municipalities generally use aerial photos to create their maps (ODB data). Because these aerial photos provide multiple views of the same area, they can be used to compute digital elevation models (DEMs) showing even buildings’ height. Only once done, they can create accurate ortho-images (orthographic view [1]). Without an accurate DEM, objects location on an image is not accurate either, because we are in a perspective view [1]. The DEMs used to create available OSM images generally do not have a sufficient accuracy in mountainous areas. This is the case of the Squamish area where the image shows many examples of perspective views [1]. In flat areas, this effect is minimal, which makes it possible to adjust an image over a large region with a great accuracy. The only visible effect is then related to buildings’ height. Regarding the hospital, it is located on a hill between two plateaus. The image can be adjusted with a good accuracy on the flat area near the river, or on the plateau on the top of the hill (potentially with another offset), but it is more difficult in between. I tried to adjust its geometry (details) from its original ODB location. I adjust the image to surrounding buildings when I need to map a new one or add details to an existing one. I may also look at available GPS tracks to confirm general ODB data location. Thanks again. Comments? Daniel [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthophoto ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #504 2020-03-10-2020-03-16
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 504, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12980/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about how to write a post here: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm weeklyOSM? who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
