Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

2018-02-17 Thread Bill & Kathy Patterson
I can speak to Maple, living a few km north of it.  The OSM wiki 
states:—CLIP—Use place=suburb to identify a major area in a place=town or 
place=city with a distinct and recognised local name and identity. Suburbs may 
have uncertain boundaries, may overlap with other suburbs, and are often best 
mapped using a node.For areas within a suburb, the tag place=neighbourhood will 
usually be used. If necessary, place=quarter may be used for an area of a large 
settlement which is smaller than a suburb and larger than a neighbourhood.—END 
CLIP—and on that basis I'd say yes, Maple is definitely a suburb of Vaughan, as 
are 1/2 of Thornhill, Concord, Woodbridge, and Kleinburg.  Purpleville and 
Nashville should likely be classified as neighbourhoods, and Hope and 
Burrlington (note double "r") as pioneer communities.
16796 Town of Markham, has been a city for a few years.
Bill Patterson

  From: Matthew Darwin 
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
 Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario
   
 The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not 
update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without further review here.
 
 1)  3 City of Vaughan (Maple)
 
 Probably "Maple" should in the addr:suburb field instead? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple,_Ontario
 
 2)   6165 City of Prince Edward County
 
 There is a "Prince Edward" as a City in Ontario not "Prince Edward County" as 
a city. Need to drop the word "County"  
http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FEQSA
 
 Comments?
 
 
 Edits are in progress for the other cities that I previously listed...
 
 Next up, towns:
 
   16796 Town of Markham
   11080 Town of Fort Erie
   10641 Town of Whitby
    7441 Town of Ajax
    7389 Town of Milton
    7025 Town of Lincoln
    6689 Town of Caledon
    6460 Town of Niagara-On-The-Lake
    5995 Town of Georgina
    5947 Town of Innisfil
    5886 Town of Newmarket
    5827 Town of Halton Hills
    5381 Town of Lakeshore
    5036 Town of Pelham
    4914 Town of South Bruce Peninsula
    4796 Town of Wasaga Beach
    4680 Town of Grimsby
    4474 Town of Essex
    4405 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville
    4244 Town of Aurora
    4127 Town of Saugeen Shores
    3803 Town of New Tecumseth
    3720 Town of Collingwood
    3574 Town of Kingsville
    3188 Town of Amherstburg
    3097 Town of Tecumseh
    3053 Town of the Blue Mountains
    3050 Town of Greater Napanee
    2927 Town of Gravenhurst
    2837 Town of Midland
    2689 Town of Tillsonburg
    2667 Town of East Gwillimbury
    2600 Town of Lasalle
    2542 Town of Bradford West Gwillimbury
    2390 Town of Cobourg
    2201 Town of Plympton-Wyoming
    1993 Town of Erin
    1751 Town of Smiths Falls
    1648 Town of Ingersoll
    1587 Town of Penetanguishene
    1527 Town of Mono
    1506 Town Of Petawawa
    1416 Town of Hanover
    1388 Town of Huntsville
    1328 Town of Mississippi Mills
    1219 Town Of Kirkland Lake
    1217 Town of Hawkesbury
    1113 Town Of Kapuskasing
    1105 Town of Petrolia
    1043 Town of Perth
     982 Town of Parry Sound
     917 Town of Gananoque
     914 Town of Prescott
     897 Town Of Hearst
     847 Town of Espanola
     803 Town Of Iroquois Falls
     792 Town of Minto
     784 Town of Aylmer
     715 Town of Marathon
     706 Town Of Cochrane
     673 Town of Shelburne
     669 Town of Carleton Place
     528 Town of Arnprior
     505 Town of Kearney
     492 Town Of Deep River
     436 Town of Blind River
     409 Town of Northeastern Manitoulin and the Islands
     398 Town of Deseronto
     396 Town of Bracebridge
     326 Town Of Thessalon
     278 Town Of Bruce Mines
     256 Town Of Smooth Rock Falls
     256 Town Of Blind River
     238 Town of Gore Bay
     218 Town of Deep River
     211 Town of Spanish
  92 Town Of Laurentian Hills
  90 Town of St. Marys
  14 Town of Caledon (Bolton)
  14 Town Of Bancroft
   7 Town of Laurentian Hills
   5 Town Of Spanish
   2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville)
   2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill)
   1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton)
   1 Town of Mono (Rosemont)
   1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney)
   1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen)
 
 On 2018-02-16 12:41 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
  
 
To start the cleanup process, the following Ontario cities are being changed 
(remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come back with the 
next batch to process...
  The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful 
consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place and of 
course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to proceed on that kind 
of activity.
   110707 City of Toronto
   45716 City of Hamilton
   27234 City of London
   25393 City of Brampton
   17251 City of Vaughan
   16929 City of St. Catharines
   16592 City of Kawartha Lakes
   16087 City of Thunder Bay

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

2018-02-16 Thread Bill & Kathy Patterson
It would seem to me that an official place name should take precedence over OSM 
protocols.  If we expand the abbreviations (or contractions), of St. and Ste., 
then are we not altering the official place name of the feature?
The federal government downloaded that responsibility to the provinces, and in 
Ontario the official place names appear 
athttp://www.gisapplication.lrc.gov.on.ca/Geonames/Index.html?site=Geographic_Names&viewer=Geonames&locale=en-US

Bill Patterson
  From: Kevin Farrugia 
 To: James  
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
 Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
   
Sorry, accidentally pressed reply instead of reply all:
Those are the official names, for example:http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/ 
search-place-names/unique/ FDJFNhttp://www4.rncan.gc.ca/ 
search-place-names/unique/ FDTCR
---
Kevin Farrugia
On Feb 16, 2018 3:50 PM, "James"  wrote:

http://saultstemarie.ca/
thats how its written. even on signs to there
On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea"  
wrote:

On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> St. Catharines, St. Thomas, Sault Ste. Marie

I dislike sounding nit-picky, this really is meant as constructive criticism, 
but let's expand these names so there are no abbreviations.  Our wiki 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Name s says "If the name can be spelled without an 
abbreviation, then don't abbreviate it."

Thanks,
SteveA
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