Re: [Talk-ca] National Railway Network - R?seau ferroviaire national
Richard, I couldn't agree more. It is interesting to see also how it can replace the current network (and by replace, I mean "oh no!!"). In most cities, the railway network has been improved with imagery and commuter network stations, platforms, routes, etc. We have to be very careful not to impact the improvements already done on OSM. Thanks, Olivier On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:00 AM, wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:07:44 -0400 > From: Richard Weait > To: Matthew Buchanan > Cc: OSM Talk-ca > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] National Railway Network - R?seau ferroviaire > national > Message-ID: > oyluvmzw0qj+gadbtuxxqdb2b...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Matthew Buchanan > wrote: > > GeoBase now has railway data for most provinces. BC, Alberta, and > > Quebec will be released this fall. > > > > http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrwn/index.html > > http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/fr/data/nrwn/index.html > > > > I uploaded a small portion near Regina as a test. (the spurs only) > > http://osm.org/go/WjfQlb2zh-?m= > > > > There are a lot of extra attributes, only some of which will be > > useful. I plan to write a python script to translate some of the codes > > into an OSM standard, unless someone has a better idea of how to do > > it. > > Hi Matthew, > > It's great to have new datasets available for our inspection. I'm not > clear from your email if you uploaded the small portion in the manner > of an import, or if you used all of the resources available including > the new data set to essentially map the data. Just in case, I'll put > this link here, > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import > > and remind everybody that no dataset, no matter how well curated or > well intended, can be imported into OpenStreetMap without very careful > planning and consultation in advance. > > > > -- > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > End of Talk-ca Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 > *** > -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 50, Issue 8
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > From: Frank Steggink > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Quebec's Bermuda Triangle > > The triangle is probably caused by the shapefile which is used for > rendering the coastline at levels 9 and below. This shapefile isn't > updated very often. I believe it is a different one than the file used > for levels 10 and above, which should be updated about once a week. > > Frank This is also what I'm thinking. I probably fixed the coastline near Ile Cadieux about 2-3 weeks ago, which could explain the issue. I've been fixing a lot of coastlines around Montreal and they tend to take about a month to show. I can't imagine how much time it is going to take for this zoom level. Richard, is there a way to refresh the planet shapefile used at lower zoom? Can we bug someone? I guess this is the shoreline_300.shp file. Thanks, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] StatCan Boundaries
Hello all, Nice meeting some of you in the Toronto Meetup yesterday. For those that remember, I asked a question about city boundaries and sources of data. Can the data from StatCan be used in OSM? I'm referring to this product for example: http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/02152114040118250609120519_05-eng.jsp Best, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping of wetlands in Montreal
Daniel, Sam, It is available in .shp format (and another one that I can't recall). I had one response already, they will be discussing it internally. It's primarly a license issue, not a format issue. I'll keep you posted! Thanks, Olivier On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Bégin, Daniel wrote: > I would agree with Olivier, > > Non-GeoBase themes have not been updated in southern Canada for 20 years - > with few exceptions > > Daniel > > -----Original Message- > From: Olivier Hill [mailto:olivier.h...@gmail.com] > Sent: February 3, 2011 08:41 > To: Richard Weait > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping of wetlands in Montreal > > Richard, > > I can tell you right now that the Ducks Illimited Data is *WAY* more recent. > > They have used special 3D techniques to identify small areas that were not > known before to be wetlands. > > They can also better classify. For example, CanVec has lakes beside my home, > they don't exist, it's more likely to be small wet saturated soil. > > Best, > Olivier > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Olivier Hill wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> FYI I have contacted them to see whether we could have access to that >>> data and permission to import on OSM. >>> >>> English: >>> http://www.ducks.ca/aboutduc/news/archives/prov2011/110131.html >>> French: >>> http://www.ducks.ca/fr/apropos/nouvelles/archives/prov2011/110131.htm >>> l >>> >>> Great collection of wetlands in the Montreal CMM. >>> >>> It's not clear whether it's public data or not, we will see... >>> >>> Great way to save wetlands if we are aware of them when looking at our map. >> >> There is a canvec data theme for saturated soils that likely includes >> this information. It would be interesting to see which source is more >> up to date. >> > > > > -- > http://www.olivierhill.ca/ > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping of wetlands in Montreal
Richard, I can tell you right now that the Ducks Illimited Data is *WAY* more recent. They have used special 3D techniques to identify small areas that were not known before to be wetlands. They can also better classify. For example, CanVec has lakes beside my home, they don't exist, it's more likely to be small wet saturated soil. Best, Olivier On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Olivier Hill wrote: >> Hello, >> >> FYI I have contacted them to see whether we could have access to that >> data and permission to import on OSM. >> >> English: http://www.ducks.ca/aboutduc/news/archives/prov2011/110131.html >> French: >> http://www.ducks.ca/fr/apropos/nouvelles/archives/prov2011/110131.html >> >> Great collection of wetlands in the Montreal CMM. >> >> It's not clear whether it's public data or not, we will see... >> >> Great way to save wetlands if we are aware of them when looking at our map. > > There is a canvec data theme for saturated soils that likely includes > this information. It would be interesting to see which source is more > up to date. > -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Mapping of wetlands in Montreal
Hello, FYI I have contacted them to see whether we could have access to that data and permission to import on OSM. English: http://www.ducks.ca/aboutduc/news/archives/prov2011/110131.html French: http://www.ducks.ca/fr/apropos/nouvelles/archives/prov2011/110131.html Great collection of wetlands in the Montreal CMM. It's not clear whether it's public data or not, we will see... Great way to save wetlands if we are aware of them when looking at our map. Best, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Import
Andrew, > Sorry about this. > > I accidentally imported duplicate features in 031G09.1.3 (Lachute) > that should be removed now unless I missed a few. The blind imports you have been doing are not limited to 031G09. You have been bulk uploading CanVec tiles on OSM in ALL areas you've been dealing with, as explained in details in my private messages to you. You bulk import all features except roads. You are thus duplicating every water feature already there, golfs, place names, etc. Some examples: Lac Emile: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.661478&lon=-74.323498&zoom=18&layers=M Saint-Colomban: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.73817&lon=-74.13737&zoom=15&layers=M I am currently looking at Lachute, which you claim you have fixed. I can select multiple water bodies that you have blindly imported on top of current features. We have exchanged a lot of private messages and I have asked you to revert your changes. You seem not to understand the problems you have created, do not want to take responsibility for it and not ready to properly fix the data (which would have been to revert, learn, and then WORK on a tile before uploading, selecting all features individually). Importing one CanVec tile on OSM per 15 minutes (according to your history) does not make sense, unless you are bulk importing or are a super-hero (would be nice though). > Lachute seemed to have been mostly mapped by a user called JeanRob98 > in 2009 (badly - there were many roads missing the street type such as > "Rue" etc., there were many ways crossing with no nodes, many > unconnected ways, etc.) and I was trying to clean it up. Aside from > importing CanVec OlivierHill seems to have made only a few minor > contributions in this area. Most contributions have been made with GPS in that area. Trying to fix the data already present and not "replacing" it would have been the honorable thing to do, respecting other's work. But that takes time. I will also ignore the rest of the statement, placing more importance on quantity than quality. > To all contributors: PLEASE update the CanVec Import Chart on Google > Docs if you are active in a certain area and you don't want other > contributors doing imports in a certain area. (I think that > acrosscanadatrails can give you write access to it if you ask). A Google Import Chart does not grant you the privilege to mess up OSM data. It merely serves as a friendly reminder that you will be working hard for some time on a tile, then uploading it. It protects you from someone else doing your work in parallel and then having a collision when you are ready to upload. Please fix and or revert. I would prefer not actually have to step in and do it. Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Import
Thank you Daniel. The situation you are describing is exactly what is currently being done in 031G08, and I'm not too happy about it. Features from CanVec have been modified since, and re-imported on top. This has the consequence of destroying the many contributions done by people around the area. Personally, seing this makes contributing a complete non-sense for me. The CanVec data is gold and I'm thrilled you and NRCan makes it all possible. However people need to realize that they can take that data and manually import it, making a decision along the way which features are still accurate and which features were already mapped. Anyhow... time to celebrate new year's eve ;) Thanks, Olivier On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Begin wrote: > I agree with Olivier, > > It certainly needs more effort but the result is there. Blind import never > helps. It just mess-up with others work. > > Blind Canvec import could have been done by NRCan, messing-up all the work > done by each OSM contributor. It doesn't help the project to have the > impression that our work is not respected because a bunch of data is dump > over what we have already map... > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -Original Message- > From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org > [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hill > Sent: December-31-10 11:50 > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Talk-ca] CanVec Import > > Hello all, > > I would like to remind everyone not to blindly import CanVec tiles on OSM. > > I have recently seen tiles uploaded blindly, duplicating nodes and > duplicating features that were already imported (like wooded areas, > lakes, rivers, etc.) > > I know it is tempting to see more data on OSM, but dirty data has no > value. Uploading tiles in batch is not crowd sourcing either as it can > be easily done with software. > > Personally, I prefer less data but with better quality than having to > validate everything that has been imported again and again. This can > of course be discussed here, others might have different opinions. > > Now, private messages have been sent to specific authors. If no > answers provided, we will have to make the choice to revert the > changesets or not. > > Thank you for your understanding (and inputs). > > Best regards, > Olivier > > -- > http://www.olivierhill.ca/ > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] CanVec Import
Hello all, I would like to remind everyone not to blindly import CanVec tiles on OSM. I have recently seen tiles uploaded blindly, duplicating nodes and duplicating features that were already imported (like wooded areas, lakes, rivers, etc.) I know it is tempting to see more data on OSM, but dirty data has no value. Uploading tiles in batch is not crowd sourcing either as it can be easily done with software. Personally, I prefer less data but with better quality than having to validate everything that has been imported again and again. This can of course be discussed here, others might have different opinions. Now, private messages have been sent to specific authors. If no answers provided, we will have to make the choice to revert the changesets or not. Thank you for your understanding (and inputs). Best regards, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Highway=trunk
Bonjour Daniel, > I understand that initially the roads in Québec were tagged using this > classification... > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Quebec > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Canada:Quebec Funny the page says: "Trunk: ??? (should use National Highway Service roads);" > The concept of "trunk" is not really used in Québec, at least by French > people. So, local mapper won't use it. Absolutely. I just found out what NHS means actually. > The difference between trunk/motorway is based on carriageways (single/dual). So the wiki should say: motorway if dual, trunk if NHS and single carriageway? In that case, the 50 between Gatineau and Lachute would in part be classified as motorway, parts as trunk? [1] [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.68321&lon=-74.05471&zoom=15&layers=M Best regards, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Highway=trunk
Hello all, Is this still accurate: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk According to this, pretty much everything in Quebec is tagged wrongly with motorway. Should this be fixed? I have changed part of the 50 Lachute to Grenville, but it is not clear where it stops, where the 148 is used and how it's linked to Montreal (via the 15?) Best, Olivier -- http://www.olivierhill.ca/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
