Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

John Whelan says:
> Thoughts?

There are obviously "deep thoughts" going on regarding how OSM can document and 
provide better geo data, routing and maps for Canadian cyclists:  my hat is off 
to the serious "front-loading" going on here and I wish to encourage it so that 
it may flourish.

Simultaneously, much can be said about getting (and having) a "basic workable 
framework" which provides useful information of the above sorts, right now.  As 
I look at Ottawa area bicycle tagging (both infrastructure and routes, as they 
are two different kinds of OSM data entry; the former as good tags in 
infrastructure elements the latter as good tags on route relations) I find this 
framework satisfactory (though I am not local).

To take a "first best practice" approach, I might suggest that a milestone be 
defined for a "1.0" version of what is attempting to be achieved.  This might 
be what I find as I do this sort of OSM work (and consulting about it) in the 
USA:  getting to a reasonable harmony between what local jurisdictions define 
and document as both bicycle infrastructure and bicycle routes, and whether 
those data are well-represented in OSM.  Ottawa might be there, it might not, 
but if you don't know that, it becomes difficult to measure progress and better 
plan for the ambitious future you have.

Weather-related local conventions are a new twist I am not familiar with (being 
from California), and I wish you luck in having those emerge to be useful to 
your local (and eventually, regional and national) cyclists.  Other (similar) 
concerns like "level of stress" (which seems to be deeply-ingrained as part of 
the "bicycle parlance" in local government) and "bikability," level of riding 
comfort, appropriateness for younger or less-experienced riders, etc. are 
topics which have been well-explored.  As I mention, sometimes these turn into 
either new tags, new tagging schemas (some more successful, some less) and new 
renderers (e.g. the Mapzen bike routing links I offered earlier quickly evolved 
from a v1 to a v2, with substantial feedback-generated improvements).  Those 
are real-life stories which show that there is a somewhat-long path:

Existing bicycle infrastructure -> maps (hard- and soft-copy) published by 
local jurisdictions -> routes of this infrastructure (ditto, though sometimes 
these are "more independently developed") -> data of these sorts (plural!) 
getting into OSM -> renderers which use these data (OpenCycleMap, 
waymarkedtrails.org, mapzen...) -> routers which use these data (e.g. 
cycle.travel...).

That path/workflow bubbles up from the roots of streets and routes folks bike 
on and the feedback loop of local jurisdictions to 
make/develop/improve/document these, all the way to a savvy biker running an 
iPhone app that produces the "perfect route, today, because it is snowing 
lightly, and my daughter is accompanying me to the park we are biking to" with 
the swipe of a finger.  Obviously, there is a LOT "in the middle" there, and 
that "big middle" will be both the same (structurally, within OSM and its 
conventions of tagging and building renderers and routers) and different (in 
the case of "we have speed limit data and traffic volume and snow-day data 
here").

Seek out the existing "wheels already invented" (some within OSM, some not).  
Learn from those what didn't work and what might be repurposed to work and work 
well.  Use the good tenets of OSM (consensus, plastic tagging which can 
well-accommodate new strategies like "how do I bike on a snow day?" and the 
"soft" aspect of software to build renderers and routers (should you eventually 
get there, and I believe you will).  The future of bicycling in Ottawa (and 
Canada) looks like it is going to LOVE OSM and all it has to offer these 
efforts!

Get to a consensus of "local (government's view of bicycling) 1.0 is now OSM 
1.0" and then put the pieces together of what will be (I can feel it in my 
bones!) a terrific 2.0.  And 3.0 and beyond.  However, nothing ever happens 
without a good plan, and good planning and good project management is what will 
get you there.  The solid backbone and structure of OSM is the vessel, and 
Ottawa and Canada are very well on your way to fantastic bicycle geo data and 
tools.  The rest of the pieces come from dialog, consensus, good community 
building, good planing and good implementation.  Go!

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

But it doesn't address traffic volumes or speed limits.  Should we tag
speed limits?

Cheerio John

On 23 January 2018 at 18:38, James  wrote:

> All that documentation was produced by Cycle Ottawa data devision. So by
> cyclists for cyclists
>
> On Jan 23, 2018 6:30 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> The SOTM presentation was interesting.  Especially the bit about the 5%
>> who would cycle anyway and these are often the people who are asked about
>> what should be done to improve things for cyclists.  Are we asking the
>> wrong people?
>>
>> I think we need to identify what tags would be useful for routing
>> purposes and to identify which standard tags we can use.
>>
>> For example a nearby road has a cycle lane sort of depending how you
>> define it.  It does appear on the city's cycling maps but isn't snowplowed
>> in winter and is not formally signed to provincial standards.  It's Merkley
>> Drive K4A 1M7 if you want to look at it.  It used to be in Cumberland but
>> got amalgamated into the City of Ottawa.  There are other cycle lanes in
>> the City of Ottawa that do not meet provincial standards.
>>
>> Traffic volumes would be nice but how do you estimate them or obtain them
>> via Open Data perhaps? The City of Ottawa probably has the data and we are
>> cleared to incorporate it into OSM.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 23 January 2018 at 17:15, Harald Kliems  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
 I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.

 So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
 more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
 limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
 with a speed limit above 40 km/h.

>>> There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM
>>> attributes (and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People
>>> for Bikes, a large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money
>>> forward to take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use
>>> OSM-data to calculate whether a specific street and intersection is
>>> low-stress or high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle
>>> Network Analaysis" project here: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>> program/bicycle-network-analysis.html
>>>
>>> https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/
>>>
>>> The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
>>> using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
>>> and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
>>> knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
>>> whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
>>> cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.
>>>
>>>  Harald (formerly Montreal, and therefore still subscribed to talk-ca)
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[James]

All that documentation was produced by Cycle Ottawa data devision. So by
cyclists for cyclists

On Jan 23, 2018 6:30 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> The SOTM presentation was interesting.  Especially the bit about the 5%
> who would cycle anyway and these are often the people who are asked about
> what should be done to improve things for cyclists.  Are we asking the
> wrong people?
>
> I think we need to identify what tags would be useful for routing purposes
> and to identify which standard tags we can use.
>
> For example a nearby road has a cycle lane sort of depending how you
> define it.  It does appear on the city's cycling maps but isn't snowplowed
> in winter and is not formally signed to provincial standards.  It's Merkley
> Drive K4A 1M7 if you want to look at it.  It used to be in Cumberland but
> got amalgamated into the City of Ottawa.  There are other cycle lanes in
> the City of Ottawa that do not meet provincial standards.
>
> Traffic volumes would be nice but how do you estimate them or obtain them
> via Open Data perhaps? The City of Ottawa probably has the data and we are
> cleared to incorporate it into OSM.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 23 January 2018 at 17:15, Harald Kliems  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
>>> I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.
>>>
>>> So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
>>> more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
>>> limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
>>> with a speed limit above 40 km/h.
>>>
>> There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM
>> attributes (and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People
>> for Bikes, a large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money
>> forward to take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use
>> OSM-data to calculate whether a specific street and intersection is
>> low-stress or high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle
>> Network Analaysis" project here: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>> program/bicycle-network-analysis.html
>>
>> https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/
>>
>> The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
>> using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
>> and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
>> knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
>> whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
>> cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.
>>
>>  Harald (formerly Montreal, and therefore still subscribed to talk-ca)
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

The SOTM presentation was interesting.  Especially the bit about the 5% who
would cycle anyway and these are often the people who are asked about what
should be done to improve things for cyclists.  Are we asking the wrong
people?

I think we need to identify what tags would be useful for routing purposes
and to identify which standard tags we can use.

For example a nearby road has a cycle lane sort of depending how you define
it.  It does appear on the city's cycling maps but isn't snowplowed in
winter and is not formally signed to provincial standards.  It's Merkley
Drive K4A 1M7 if you want to look at it.  It used to be in Cumberland but
got amalgamated into the City of Ottawa.  There are other cycle lanes in
the City of Ottawa that do not meet provincial standards.

Traffic volumes would be nice but how do you estimate them or obtain them
via Open Data perhaps? The City of Ottawa probably has the data and we are
cleared to incorporate it into OSM.

Thoughts?

Cheerio John

On 23 January 2018 at 17:15, Harald Kliems  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan  wrote:
>
>> Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
>> I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.
>>
>> So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
>> more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
>> limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
>> with a speed limit above 40 km/h.
>>
> There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM
> attributes (and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People
> for Bikes, a large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money
> forward to take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use
> OSM-data to calculate whether a specific street and intersection is
> low-stress or high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle
> Network Analaysis" project here: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
> program/bicycle-network-analysis.html
>
> https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/
>
> The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
> using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
> and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
> knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
> whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
> cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.
>
>  Harald (formerly Montreal, and therefore still subscribed to talk-ca)
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[Harald Kliems]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan  wrote:

> Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
> I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.
>
> So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
> more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
> limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
> with a speed limit above 40 km/h.
>
There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM attributes
(and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People for Bikes, a
large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money forward to
take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use OSM-data to
calculate whether a specific street and intersection is low-stress or
high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle Network
Analaysis" project here:
https://2017.stateofthemap.us/program/bicycle-network-analysis.html

https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/

The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.

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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi John,

After talking to many different folks about what their requirements 
are for a cycling map, it is clear to me that the cycling routing 
algorithm requires user-configurable tuning parameters.   People have 
different requirements at different times: from "find a nice path for 
a 6 year old to get to friends house" to "get me there the fastest no 
matter the traffic" and "find me an challenging route that is mostly 
off-road so I can get a great workout" and anything in between.   The 
community of needs is vast.


On 2018-01-23 04:55 PM, john whelan wrote:
Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  
Typically I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when 
using the trike.


So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather 
than more major collector roads and you can't always determine from 
the speed limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too 
avoid highways with a speed limit above 40 km/h.


Cheerio John

On 23 Jan 2018 3:27 pm, "OSM Volunteer stevea" 
> wrote:


Oops, the bicycle router I wanted to refer to in my previous is
http://cycle.travel by Richard Fairhurst (whom I inexplicably
confused with Simon Poole).

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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

James wrote:
There's also documentation that Ottawa is using(not final thats why its not on 
the wiki) with example pictures:
https://github.com/osmottawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md
There are differences with respect to US bike pathes

Thanks for the link to that page, James!

There are a couple of empty cells (and other specifics) I might make 
suggestions about:

Singletrack:  highway=path (PLEASE ALSO INCLUDE a surface=* tag with this), 
bicycle=yes, width=* is helpful if you know it,
Track road:  highway=track, tracktype=[grade5, grade4, grade3, grade2, grade1], 
width=*, surface-=* bicycle=yes (or =designated or foot=yes...a bit flexible),
Contraflow lane with separation:  I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to 
specify, please see wiki pages cycleway=opposite_track and 
cycleway=opposite_lane.

Sometimes, like with path/way data in our map, I'm OK with entering wiki which 
are sketchy (incomplete, yet a great start), though I won't enter data which 
are outright incorrect.  This is an excellent document which should be 
converted into a Canada-based bicycle tagging wiki POST HASTE!  (Well, at your 
convenience, of course:  an "A-minus becoming an A-plus" is certainly ripe for 
wiki-hood).  Wikis often start out as stubs and grow into (nearly) complete 
and/or (nearly) perfect documents; the operative word is "grow into."  Your 
tagging guide is thoughtful and great work on documenting bicycle 
infrastructure.  (I sheepishly hesitate to say it puts what we have in the USA 
— nothing close! — to a bit of shame).  Well done!

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.

So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
with a speed limit above 40 km/h.

Cheerio John

On 23 Jan 2018 3:27 pm, "OSM Volunteer stevea" 
wrote:

> Oops, the bicycle router I wanted to refer to in my previous is
> http://cycle.travel by Richard Fairhurst (whom I inexplicably confused
> with Simon Poole).
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[James]

There's also documentation that Ottawa is using(not final thats why its not
on the wiki) with example pictures:

https://github.com/osmottawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md

There are differences with respect to US bike pathes


On Jan 23, 2018 4:10 PM, "Matthew Darwin"  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I share your desire to not duplicate stuff that is already done. There is
> a strong attempt in the Ottawa community to use standard OSM tags
> highway:cycleway, cycleway:lane/track and bicycle:*etc..
>
> The bicycle router is very nice (cycle.travel). However, I think an
> Ottawa bike routing algorithm will require modifications to work in Ottawa
> where we need to tag routes as being maintained in the winter (or not) and
> then allowing you to choose if you want a winter-maintained route or not.
>
> Also would like to see more options to avoid roads and only travel on
> paths that are lit.
>
> For example, I just plugged in FROM/TO where I might go, and the route
> chosen is the most direct, but not the one I would take because it goes on
> a very busy section of road with traffic at 100km/hour with no shoulder.
> ... I would take the longer path. It also picks paths that are not cyclable
> at this time of year.
>
> Matthew Darwin
> matt...@mdarwin.ca
> http://www.mdarwin.ca
>
> On 2018-01-23 03:25 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:
>
>> Oops, the bicycle router I wanted to refer to in my previous is
>> http://cycle.travel by Richard Fairhurst (whom I inexplicably confused
>> with Simon Poole).
>>
>> SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Steve,

I share your desire to not duplicate stuff that is already done. There 
is a strong attempt in the Ottawa community to use standard OSM tags 
highway:cycleway, cycleway:lane/track and bicycle:*etc..


The bicycle router is very nice (cycle.travel). However, I think an 
Ottawa bike routing algorithm will require modifications to work in 
Ottawa where we need to tag routes as being maintained in the winter 
(or not) and then allowing you to choose if you want a 
winter-maintained route or not.


Also would like to see more options to avoid roads and only travel on 
paths that are lit.


For example, I just plugged in FROM/TO where I might go, and the route 
chosen is the most direct, but not the one I would take because it 
goes on a very busy section of road with traffic at 100km/hour with no 
shoulder. ... I would take the longer path. It also picks paths that 
are not cyclable at this time of year.


Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2018-01-23 03:25 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

Oops, the bicycle router I wanted to refer to in my previous is 
http://cycle.travel by Richard Fairhurst (whom I inexplicably confused with 
Simon Poole).

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[Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Oops, the bicycle router I wanted to refer to in my previous is 
http://cycle.travel by Richard Fairhurst (whom I inexplicably confused with 
Simon Poole).

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[Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Hello talk-ca:  I'm resurrecting a month-old thread (about bicycling) as my 
initial post here.

I'm a California-based (USA) nearly nine-year veteran of OSM.  My wiki user 
page at https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/User:Stevea shares some details of my 
mapping, including parks and other mostly-natural/leisure areas, bicycle 
infrastructure and route mapping (I spoke on the topic at SOTM-US in 
Washington, DC in 2014) and national rail infrastructure and passenger train 
mapping (ditto, at SOTM-US in Seattle in 2016).

Regarding bicycle (infrastructure, route) mapping in OSM, I'll share that I 
have much to say, trying to be brief for now.  I contribute to and help 
coordinate harmonious growth of our wiki pages 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Bicycle_Networks and 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_U.S._Bicycle_Route_System.  Some of what 
I have learned from a national scope perspective (in the USA) follows and I 
hope those in Canada may find it helpful.

In any effort to improve bicycle infrastructure in OSM, first map with 
highway:cycleway, cycleway:lane/track and bicycle:* tags.  Then, assemble any 
route=bicycle relations out of those infrastructure elements.  This order isn't 
strictly required, but it can help you stay sane and any wider effort (and OSM 
is) to remain well-coordinated.  Should routes already exist, assure they are 
harmonized within a wide community (in OSM, at a national level, after 
consulting with provincial and wide-area groups or non-profits) before 
progressing to fully standardizing on what are meant by values of network=* 
tags.  To resolve ambiguities, the cycle_network=* tag can be your good friend, 
its wiki now sketches sane values for Canada.  Better, more sharply focussed 
values can emerge with more consensus, taginfo can track both staid stability 
and new emergences.

Regarding network=* tags, there may be some friction and/or ambiguity in Canada 
with what in the USA we distinguish as "quasi-national," "quasi-private" and 
"private" bicycle routes.  These can be difficult to map onto existing bicycle 
route tagging schemas (especially network=*).  Please be welcome to use history 
of how these emerged in the USA (between about 2011 and 2014) to achieve a 
similar harmony in Canada.  From what I see so far, Canada does well as bicycle 
routes emerge in OSM:  lots of work is yet to do, but tender shoots of early- 
to mid-life bicycle route mapping look great from here!

There have been many initiatives to "better map bicycling" using existing OSM 
data and tagging (e.g. https://mapzen.com/blog/bike-map-v2, though, alas, 
Mapzen disappears :-( in a few days) with "comfort level," "suitability" and 
"safety" approaches using existing tags to semantically extrapolate those as 
color-coded renderings.  There have also been attempts to introduce new tagging 
schemas into OSM which have similar goals:  
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Cheltenham_Standard and 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/CycleStreets (with HTML5 web, iOS and Android 
implementations) come to mind.  Many overlays/renderers (Andy Allan's 
OpenCycleMap, Sarah Hoffman's waymarkedtrails.org and its excellent mountain 
biking overlay — a whole 'other animal compared to "road route" bicycling, 
Simon Poole's bicycle router, our very own and excellent 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map...) are quite helpful:  there are a 
lot of resources out there.  Better tagging, better rendering, better routing 
and better data all continue to emerge, especially as these resources are more 
widely consulted and used around the world.

My apologies if any of this seems basic, I'd dislike seeing anybody re-invent 
wheels when so much good work has been done in OSM regarding bicycling, bicycle 
routing and bicycle mapping in the context of improving "ride ability" or 
"bicycle usability."  I wish the very best to Canadian OSMers in doing so!

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi John,

The Ottawa cycling group is working on a "Level of Traffic Stress" map 
which is different than this.  This is because, my understanding, is 
that the City of Ottawa (for better or worse) uses LTS as their 
official way of measuring how they're doing on cycling 
infrastructure.  If you want the city to make changes, you need to 
talk their language.


However, I think ultimately, "bikeability" is where the Ottawa team 
wants to get to.   I've heard it mentioned that the existing work is 
meant to identify important gaps in the cycling network.


Too bad we couldn't collaborate better across the country on cycling 
activities.   Is there a national organization focused on cycling?


Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
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On 2017-12-23 09:30 AM, john whelan wrote:

I think the OSM article uses a variety of inputs.

https://urbandatacyclist.wordpress.com/2017/12/12/visualizing-the-bikeability-of-san-franciscos-roads/

It looks as if some work has been done in Vancouver.

It needs thinking through and combining both OpenStreetMap data and 
other sources.


"Bikeability: The term bikeability refers to the level of 
interaction between factors of the built and natural environments 
associated with the demand for cycling including infrastructure, 
slope, land use (destinations), and connectivity. This definition 
was derived from this study 
."


Note it's not only cycle paths etc but destinations and other 
information.


The cycling organisations might understand it better.  I think also 
the City of Ottawa has a person or group who promotes cycling and it 
might be worth involving them.


Cheerio John

On 23 December 2017 at 09:06, James > wrote:


You mean like we've been doing for kitchissippi ward?

http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/84


Other wards need same sort of tagging

On Dec 23, 2017 8:24 AM, "john whelan" > wrote:

Within weeklyosm there is a article on bikability.  I am
aware that some mappers in Ottawa are working with the local
cycle groups,could something be done for Ottawa?

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9805/


Thanks John

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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

I think the OSM article uses a variety of inputs.

https://urbandatacyclist.wordpress.com/2017/12/12/visualizing-the-bikeability-of-san-franciscos-roads/

It looks as if some work has been done in Vancouver.

It needs thinking through and combining both OpenStreetMap data and other
sources.

"Bikeability: The term bikeability refers to the level of interaction
between factors of the built and natural environments associated with the
demand for cycling including infrastructure, slope, land use
(destinations), and connectivity. This definition was derived from this
study ."

Note it's not only cycle paths etc but destinations and other information.

The cycling organisations might understand it better.  I think also the
City of Ottawa has a person or group who promotes cycling and it might be
worth involving them.

Cheerio John

On 23 December 2017 at 09:06, James  wrote:

> You mean like we've been doing for kitchissippi ward?
>
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/84
>
> Other wards need same sort of tagging
>
> On Dec 23, 2017 8:24 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> Within weeklyosm there is a article on bikability.  I am aware that some
>> mappers in Ottawa are working with the local cycle groups,could something
>> be done for Ottawa?
>>
>> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9805/
>>
>> Thanks John
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Re: [Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[James]

You mean like we've been doing for kitchissippi ward?

http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/84

Other wards need same sort of tagging

On Dec 23, 2017 8:24 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> Within weeklyosm there is a article on bikability.  I am aware that some
> mappers in Ottawa are working with the local cycle groups,could something
> be done for Ottawa?
>
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9805/
>
> Thanks John
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[Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

Within weeklyosm there is a article on bikability.  I am aware that some
mappers in Ottawa are working with the local cycle groups,could something
be done for Ottawa?

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9805/

Thanks John
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