[Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Hi all, I'm guilty! Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last week I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. So, if the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in the application. Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It has not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of duplicate ways. Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. Cheers, Daniel -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc Beaudoin Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names Hi, I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such as: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565353&lon=-73.561728000640869 &zoom=18 name = "?" name2= "?" address:street:leftside="?" address:street:rightside="?" is_in="?" I believe such approach is unproductive as it takes quite a lot of work to clean up the tags afterwards or even to print a nice map without ? everywhere. Tags should not be set to FIXME or "?". They should not be set. Then they'll show up on the "no name" layer. Please someone fix that import script. :) Pierre-Luc ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Hi all, I'm guilty! Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last week I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. So, if the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in the application. Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It has not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of duplicate ways. Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. Cheers, Daniel -Original Message- From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc Beaudoin Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names Hi, I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such as: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565353&lon=-73.561728000640869 &zoom=18 name = "?" name2= "?" address:street:leftside="?" address:street:rightside="?" is_in="?" I believe such approach is unproductive as it takes quite a lot of work to clean up the tags afterwards or even to print a nice map without ? everywhere. Tags should not be set to FIXME or "?". They should not be set. Then they'll show up on the "no name" layer. Please someone fix that import script. :) Pierre-Luc ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Yup, that was the reason why i kept dealing with the canvec stuff for myself, in hopes that the geobase road network would have gotten all done before the team started to work with canvec. I omited the roads for that script on purpose :) Oh well, my fault for making that script available too soon :) Cheers, Sam On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Daniel Bégin wrote: > Hi all, I'm guilty! > > > > Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of > Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last week I > used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. So, if the tags > are not appropriate, something should be modified in the application. > > > > Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke area > and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? > > > > However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It has not > only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of duplicate ways. > > > > Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to remove > tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily removed odd tags > at the same time I'm correcting my ways. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Daniel > > > > -Original Message- > > From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: > talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc Beaudoin > > Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 > > To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > > Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight > > I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such > > as: > > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565353&lon=-73.561728000640869&zoom=18 > > name = "?" > > name2= "?" > > address:street:leftside="?" > > address:street:rightside="?" > > is_in="?" > > > > I believe such approach is unproductive as it takes quite a lot of work > > to clean up the tags afterwards or even to print a nice map without ? > > everywhere. > > > > Tags should not be set to FIXME or "?". They should not be set. Then > > they'll show up on the "no name" layer. Please someone fix that import > > script. :) > > > > Pierre-Luc > > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Hi, I'll create a number of OSM files based on Geobase which can be imported by Daniel. Re. the existing data, it might be better to remove it, although I don't know how much it is. Daniel, are your imports only confined to Laval, or do they extend other tiles? I can create a script which can undo your changes. I've created something similar to clean up the mess after a few early botched Geobase imports of myself. Do we all agree to remove this data, and import Geobase instead? This conversion process has proven the test of time now. I can make a number of NTS tiles with Geobase data available. As Sam mentioned, it was indeed the intention to use Geobase for the road import. The tags which are set on Canvec data (by shp2osm.jar / canvec2osm.py) are mostly OK, except for roads. I should have said that when I asked you why you used Canvec, instead of Geobase. Technically the source data is the same, but not the result as converted to OSM ;) Cheers, Frank Daniel Bégin wrote: > > Hi all, I'm guilty! > > > > Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of > Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last week > I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. So, if > the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in the > application. > > > > Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke > area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? > > > > However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It has > not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of duplicate > ways. > > > > Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to > remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily > removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Daniel > > > > -Original Message- > > From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org > [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc > Beaudoin > > Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 > > To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > > Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight > > I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such > > as: > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565353&lon=-73.561728000640869&zoom=18 > > name = "?" > > name2= "?" > > address:street:leftside="?" > > address:street:rightside="?" > > is_in="?" > > > > I believe such approach is unproductive as it takes quite a lot of work > > to clean up the tags afterwards or even to print a nice map without ? > > everywhere. > > > > Tags should not be set to FIXME or "?". They should not be set. Then > > they'll show up on the "no name" layer. Please someone fix that import > > script. :) > > > > Pierre-Luc > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
On second thought: obviously a lot of work has gone in it, and many tags are already set. I haven't looked at it, but probably the roads are also being linked up with the existing grid. There might be some inconsistencies with Geobase, but I don't think that will really be a problem. Actually, Daniel is our in-house expert on this matter, so he should be able to tell :) JOSM has some good tools to select features, and edit their tags. With this it shouldn't be too hard to unset all tags with question marks. There is also a number of duplicate roads, which can be located with the Validator tool, as well as some roads of which the classification needs to change. On Hwy 13 some green (trunk) sections stand out. Bridges? I'll have a look at this. Along many motorways there are unclassified roads. Normally I would change them to motorway_link, but in Montreal most of them are secondary or tertiary. I think this depends on whether there are buildings along it, correct? Perhaps this is best to be fixed by someone familiar with this area. I could also change it, and someone else can update my corrections. Frank Frank Steggink wrote: > Hi, > > I'll create a number of OSM files based on Geobase which can be > imported by Daniel. Re. the existing data, it might be better to > remove it, although I don't know how much it is. Daniel, are your > imports only confined to Laval, or do they extend other tiles? I can > create a script which can undo your changes. I've created something > similar to clean up the mess after a few early botched Geobase imports > of myself. > > Do we all agree to remove this data, and import Geobase instead? This > conversion process has proven the test of time now. I can make a > number of NTS tiles with Geobase data available. > > As Sam mentioned, it was indeed the intention to use Geobase for the > road import. The tags which are set on Canvec data (by shp2osm.jar / > canvec2osm.py) are mostly OK, except for roads. I should have said > that when I asked you why you used Canvec, instead of Geobase. > Technically the source data is the same, but not the result as > converted to OSM ;) > > Cheers, > > Frank > > Daniel Bégin wrote: >> >> Hi all, I'm guilty! >> >> >> >> Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of >> Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last >> week I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. >> So, if the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in >> the application. >> >> >> Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke >> area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? >> >> >> >> However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It >> has not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of >> duplicate ways. >> >> >> >> Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to >> remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily >> removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org >> [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc >> Beaudoin >> >> Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 >> >> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap >> >> Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight >> >> I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such >> >> as: >> >> >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565353&lon=-73.561728000640869&zoom=18 >> >> >> >> name = "?" >> >> name2= "?" >> >> address:street:leftside="?" >> >> address:street:rightside="?" >> >> is_in="?" >> >> >> >> I believe such approach is unproductive as it takes quite a lot of work >> >> to clean up the tags afterwards or even to print a nice map without ? >> >> everywhere. >> >> >> >> Tags should not be set to FIXME or "?". They should not be set. Then >> >> they'll show up on the "no name" layer. Please someone fix that import >> >> script. :) >> >> >> >> Pierre-Luc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Hi Frank, The problem is confined in and around Laval area. It won't be necessary to remove the roads because there is already a lot of work that have been done and I am completing the correction - using JOSM. If the community give me enough time ;-) It will be all set properly soon :-) By the way, why using only Geobase while Canvec is identical. I have the impression the initial decision was based on the impression Geobase was better. Am I right? Cheers, Daniel -Original Message- From: Frank Steggink [mailto:stegg...@steggink.org] Sent: December 11, 2009 18:24 To: Daniel Bégin Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names On second thought: obviously a lot of work has gone in it, and many tags are already set. I haven't looked at it, but probably the roads are also being linked up with the existing grid. There might be some inconsistencies with Geobase, but I don't think that will really be a problem. Actually, Daniel is our in-house expert on this matter, so he should be able to tell :) JOSM has some good tools to select features, and edit their tags. With this it shouldn't be too hard to unset all tags with question marks. There is also a number of duplicate roads, which can be located with the Validator tool, as well as some roads of which the classification needs to change. On Hwy 13 some green (trunk) sections stand out. Bridges? I'll have a look at this. Along many motorways there are unclassified roads. Normally I would change them to motorway_link, but in Montreal most of them are secondary or tertiary. I think this depends on whether there are buildings along it, correct? Perhaps this is best to be fixed by someone familiar with this area. I could also change it, and someone else can update my corrections. Frank Frank Steggink wrote: > Hi, > > I'll create a number of OSM files based on Geobase which can be > imported by Daniel. Re. the existing data, it might be better to > remove it, although I don't know how much it is. Daniel, are your > imports only confined to Laval, or do they extend other tiles? I can > create a script which can undo your changes. I've created something > similar to clean up the mess after a few early botched Geobase imports > of myself. > > Do we all agree to remove this data, and import Geobase instead? This > conversion process has proven the test of time now. I can make a > number of NTS tiles with Geobase data available. > > As Sam mentioned, it was indeed the intention to use Geobase for the > road import. The tags which are set on Canvec data (by shp2osm.jar / > canvec2osm.py) are mostly OK, except for roads. I should have said > that when I asked you why you used Canvec, instead of Geobase. > Technically the source data is the same, but not the result as > converted to OSM ;) > > Cheers, > > Frank > > Daniel Bégin wrote: >> >> Hi all, I'm guilty! >> >> >> >> Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of >> Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last >> week I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. >> So, if the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in >> the application. >> >> >> Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke >> area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? >> >> >> >> However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It >> has not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of >> duplicate ways. >> >> >> >> Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to >> remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily >> removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org >> [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc >> Beaudoin >> >> Sent: December 10, 2009 23:18 >> >> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap >> >> Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec import in Montréal with ? names >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I've been a little disconnected about the whole import process. Tonight >> >> I've seen CanVec streets appear in my neighboorhood with odd tags such >> >> as: >> >> >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.509963468565
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
Hi Daniel, > The problem is confined in and around Laval area. It won't be necessary to > remove the roads because there is already a lot of work that have been done > and I am completing the correction - using JOSM. If the community give me > enough time ;-) > > It will be all set properly soon :-) > OK, I'll leave it to you then. You imported this data after all ;) You have noticed the Search button in the Selection pane, right? > By the way, why using only Geobase while Canvec is identical. I have the > impression the initial decision was based on the impression Geobase was > better. Am I right? > Others can better answer the question about the impression than I do. If you want to use Canvec, we should make sure that equivalent tags are present too. It would be more difficult to add missing information later. Good luck, Frank ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:24:55PM -0500, Frank Steggink wrote: > Daniel Bégin wrote: > > By the way, why using only Geobase while Canvec is identical. I have the > > impression the initial decision was based on the impression Geobase was > > better. Am I right? > > > Others can better answer the question about the impression than I do. If > you want to use Canvec, we should make sure that equivalent tags are > present too. It would be more difficult to add missing information later. As this keeps coming up, it would be a good idea if the reasons for one vs the other are put into the wiki. -- James Treacy tre...@debian.org ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names
M, Daniel Bégin wrote: > Hi Frank, > > The problem is confined in and around Laval area. It won't be necessary to > remove the roads because there is already a lot of work that have been done > and I am completing the correction - using JOSM. If the community give me > enough time ;-) > > It will be all set properly soon :-) > > By the way, why using only Geobase while Canvec is identical. I have the > impression the initial decision was based on the impression Geobase was > better. Am I right? > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > > -Original Message- > From: Frank Steggink [mailto:stegg...@steggink.org] > Sent: December 11, 2009 18:24 > To: Daniel Bégin > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] FW: Canvec import in Montréal with ? names > > On second thought: obviously a lot of work has gone in it, and many tags > are already set. I haven't looked at it, but probably the roads are also > being linked up with the existing grid. There might be some > inconsistencies with Geobase, but I don't think that will really be a > problem. Actually, Daniel is our in-house expert on this matter, so he > should be able to tell :) > > JOSM has some good tools to select features, and edit their tags. With > this it shouldn't be too hard to unset all tags with question marks. > There is also a number of duplicate roads, which can be located with the > Validator tool, as well as some roads of which the classification needs > to change. On Hwy 13 some green (trunk) sections stand out. Bridges? > I'll have a look at this. > > Along many motorways there are unclassified roads. Normally I would > change them to motorway_link, but in Montreal most of them are secondary > or tertiary. I think this depends on whether there are buildings along > it, correct? Perhaps this is best to be fixed by someone familiar with > this area. I could also change it, and someone else can update my > corrections. > > Frank > > Frank Steggink wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'll create a number of OSM files based on Geobase which can be > > imported by Daniel. Re. the existing data, it might be better to > > remove it, although I don't know how much it is. Daniel, are your > > imports only confined to Laval, or do they extend other tiles? I can > > create a script which can undo your changes. I've created something > > similar to clean up the mess after a few early botched Geobase imports > > of myself. > > > > Do we all agree to remove this data, and import Geobase instead? This > > conversion process has proven the test of time now. I can make a > > number of NTS tiles with Geobase data available. > > > > As Sam mentioned, it was indeed the intention to use Geobase for the > > road import. The tags which are set on Canvec data (by shp2osm.jar / > > canvec2osm.py) are mostly OK, except for roads. I should have said > > that when I asked you why you used Canvec, instead of Geobase. > > Technically the source data is the same, but not the result as > > converted to OSM ;) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Frank > > > > Daniel Bégin wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, I'm guilty! > >> > >> > >> > >> Actually, I'm importing the Canvec road network in Laval (north of > >> Montreal) because I've done a lot GPS mapping in this area. Last > >> week I used canvec-to-osm to convert the rest of the road network. > >> So, if the tags are not appropriate, something should be modified in > >> the application. > >> > >> > >> Curiously, I used the same application few weeks ago near Sherbrooke > >> area and did not have that problem?!! Someone can explain it to me? > >> > >> > >> > >> However, I am in the process of correcting the data I imported. It > >> has not only odd tags but a problem using JOSM creates a lot of > >> duplicate ways. > >> > >> > >> > >> Which tags do you suggest I keep/remove? Pierre-Luc suggested me to > >> remove tags with "?" values, any other suggestions? I can easily > >> removed odd tags at the same time I'm correcting my ways. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> > >> > >> Daniel > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> > >> From: talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org > >> [mailto:talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Pierre-Luc > >> Beaudoin > >> > >> Sent: December 10, 20
