Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Tyler Gunn]

> Also consider some of the best from around the World.
> http://www.bestofosm.org/
> Image of the week has a history of great mapping as OSM progresses.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_images
> And feel free to submit your excellent work for others to see at
> either of the above projects.

There's definitely some great work going on overseas; that's why I figured it'd 
be nice to get a more local view on things. :)  Heh..  But I'll definitely sift 
through the various examples and see what ideas I can get.  Heh, my area is not 
good enough to be a feature... yet!  I still have lots of features to add to 
the area and all the addressing to do. 

Work work! :)

--
Tyler Gunn
ty...@egunn.com
http://www.egunn.com/




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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Tyler Gunn]

> Hi Tyler, 
> Welcome
> Yup, thats alot of houses.  Great work!

Thanks!


> A couple things.
> 1 - You can use Toporama from Natural Resources Canada, and set it up as a 
> WMS layer in JOSM

Awesome!   I've added that in and have been able to trace some roads up in 
rural MB around Dauphin, the currently un-mapped town where my inlaws live.  I 
figure I'll take my GPS along and track out the entire town next time I'm out 
there.  A good excuse for an outing!  But the Toporama gives a REALLY good 
starting point.

> 
> 2 - The Town of Duncan, BC On Vancouver Island is perhaps the best  mapped 
> place in Canada. 
> Although we did get some help from  (Local Mappers / Landsat / Yahoo imagery 
> / CanVec/Toporama/GeoBaseNRN/ GeoBaseNHN/Cowichan Valley Regional District / 
> Atlas of Canada / NRCan geogratis ).   Great work Kevin Smith! (who is the 
> top contributor)   This is a wonderful example of a combination of efforts 
> from multiple sources.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.77478&lon=-123.69681&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

Excellent, I'll take a peek around there and see what I can garner from what 
has been done there.  I would ultimately like to map my own subdivision as 
accurately as possible, and then gradually keep adding more details outwards 
from there.   I imagine I'll never run out of points to add.

> 
> Yup, and how you already have houses drawn in.  It will make the map look 
> even better.

It definitely does look good on the map I must admit. :)


Thanks!
Tyler


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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Sam Vekemans]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Marc Provencher wrote:

> I finally understand what you mean by using Toporama as a WMS layer in
> JOSM.
>
> Can Potlatch make use of these WMS servers as well?
>
> Marc.


I cc'd the talk-ca list, as it's a FAQ

No, not yet.  RichardF (who works on development of Potlatch, says that for
version 3 it will be available).   But for now JOSM works well for it.
There is also the option to right-click on the layer and choose 'change
resolution'  as this will produce a different map scale render of Toporama.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NXtuZSu3dD_7XThjCcAa8g?feat=directlink

BTW, the background is the GeoBase Aboriginal Lands. ... (i'll announce it
later)

BTWW,  Empress, Alberta is also proving to become the best mapped place
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.95553&lon=-110.00899&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF

cheers,
Sam



>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Sam Vekemans <
> acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tyler,
>> Welcome.
>>
>> Yup, thats alot of houses.  Great work!
>>
>> A couple things.
>>
>> 1 - You can use Toporama from Natural Resources Canada, and set it up as a
>> WMS layer in JOSM
>>
>>
>> http://wms.ess-ws.nrcan.gc.ca/wms/toporama_en?LAYERS=limits,vegetation,builtup_areas,designated_areas,hydrography,hypsography,water_saturated_soils,landforms,constructions,water_features,road_network,railway,populated_places,structures,power_network,feature_names&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&REQUEST=GetMap&STYLES=&EXCEPTIONS=application/vnd.ogc.se_inimage&FORMAT=image/png&;
>>
>> You can trace all you want & as much detail as you like.  Toporama is
>> derived from the exact same source as CanVec & GeoBase, and it's the same
>> level of detail.  (you might have seen that on the Canada wiki page)
>>
>> There is a TONNE of information, so i'd recommend just mapping what you
>> like.  Others will join in once they see your area so well detailed & let
>> the competition begin!   (Quality in a small area, beats quantity over a big
>> area IMO)
>>
>> 2 - The Town of Duncan, BC On Vancouver Island is perhaps the best  mapped
>> place in Canada.
>> Although we did get some help from  (Local Mappers / Landsat / Yahoo
>> imagery / CanVec/Toporama/GeoBaseNRN/ GeoBaseNHN/Cowichan Valley Regional
>> District / Atlas of Canada / NRCan geogratis ).   Great work Kevin Smith!
>> (who is the top contributor)   This is a wonderful example of a combination
>> of efforts from multiple sources.
>>
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.77478&lon=-123.69681&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF
>>
>> 3 -
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM, john whelan wrote:
>>
>>> A purely personal point of view.  I like the footpaths, Google doesn't
>>> have these.  I'm not so sure about the houses as a block.  I'd be more
>>> inclined to drop in street numbers in post code blocks using
>>> addr:interpolation
>>> .
>>
>>
>>> for example
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.47761&lon=-75.484175&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
>>>
>>> The reason for this is to cram in as much useful information as possible
>>> whilst minimising the number of points in the GIS database.  Each house has
>>> a min of four points as a block, using interpolation two points can
>>> represent a block of ten houses.  Be aware though that I worked as an
>>> assembler language programmer forty years ago when computer resources were
>>> much more expensive than they are today but I still like to consider them so
>>> I'm bias.
>>>
>>
>> Yup, and how you already have houses drawn in.  It will make the map look
>> even better.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Postcode searches don't exactly work as they should in Canada at the
>>> moment but being able to look up an address helps routing software etc.
>>>
>>> Any buses run in the area?  Bus stops can be useful to people trying to
>>> find their way by public transport.
>>>
>>> Any businesses or stores around?  Supermarkets perhaps that are open 24
>>> hours?  Tag them with their web site, phone number, type of business etc.
>>> Especially decent coffee shops, you never know I might want to visit
>>> sometime.
>>>
>>> OSM is electronic so add tags in JOSM perhaps to POIs.  Once the data is
>>> in the database different rendering solutions can pull or present different
>>> images based on what the user would like to see.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 April 2010 20:25, Tyler Gunn  wrote:
>>>
 I discovered OSM a few weeks ago and have been hooked since.  I've been
 refining the existing map data for my subdivision, adding new roads,
 cleaning up existing ones, and adding POIs.

 I've also traced all the houses in my subdivision and am planning to
 head out with a stack of WalkingPapers and gather POIs and address 
 mappings:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.78226&lon=-97.16557&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

 Can anyone out there recommend good examples of well mapped areas in
>>>

Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Tyler Gunn]

On 2010-04-13, at 8:28 PM, john whelan wrote:

> A purely personal point of view.  I like the footpaths, Google doesn't have 
> these.  I'm not so sure about the houses as a block.  I'd be more inclined to 
> drop in street numbers in post code blocks using addr:interpolation.
> 
> for example 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.47761&lon=-75.484175&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

Hi John,

I will probably not block out the houses like this in the future and will 
instead just rely on the address interpolation.  Adding the house numbers to 
all these houses is going to involve lots of legwork and time in JOSM.  Oh 
well.  :)  I will stick to interpolation in the future.  I think my original 
thought was that by doing it this way you'd be able to really precisely be able 
to locate each numbered house; but in retrospect WAY overkill.  Hah, I can 
actually drive my car up to my house and the GPX tracks go up my driveway and 
into the model of my garage.

I've been working on adding addr:street and addr:housenumber tags to 
everything, along with street relations.  What is the best way to get post code 
data?  Is it valid to look it up on Canada Post's website?  

Yes, there are some buses and I am going to be adding in the stops and routes, 
following the  recommendations here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Manitoba:Winnipeg#Bus_stops

Thanks for the other hints and tips.  I'll likely just take some walking papers 
around and see what all I can find; bus stops, stores, etc.  




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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Richard Weait]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tyler Gunn  wrote:
> I discovered OSM a few weeks ago and have been hooked since.  I've been 
> refining the existing map data for my subdivision, adding new roads, cleaning 
> up existing ones, and adding POIs.
>
> I've also traced all the houses in my subdivision and am planning to head out 
> with a stack of WalkingPapers and gather POIs and address mappings:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.78226&lon=-97.16557&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF
>
> Can anyone out there recommend good examples of well mapped areas in Canada?  
> I'm just looking to get a feel for what people are mapping, and how they're 
> handling interesting road junctions, etc.  I realize the Wiki has guidelines 
> for lots of this but its always nice to get some tips and tricks from other 
> sources as well.

Also consider some of the best from around the World.
http://www.bestofosm.org/

Image of the week has a history of great mapping as OSM progresses.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_images

And feel free to submit your excellent work for others to see at
either of the above projects.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Tyler Gunn]

> Great job with that area! It looks amazing.

Thanks Russell.  I was pleased with how the houses turned out, but in all 
honesty I am not 100% sure I will add that level of detail to areas in the 
future.  :)  I got a ways in when I realized it was a bit overkill but I was 
already committed at that point.  Lol.

Tyler



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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi Tyler,
Welcome.

Yup, thats alot of houses.  Great work!

A couple things.

1 - You can use Toporama from Natural Resources Canada, and set it up as a
WMS layer in JOSM

http://wms.ess-ws.nrcan.gc.ca/wms/toporama_en?LAYERS=limits,vegetation,builtup_areas,designated_areas,hydrography,hypsography,water_saturated_soils,landforms,constructions,water_features,road_network,railway,populated_places,structures,power_network,feature_names&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&REQUEST=GetMap&STYLES=&EXCEPTIONS=application/vnd.ogc.se_inimage&FORMAT=image/png&;

You can trace all you want & as much detail as you like.  Toporama is
derived from the exact same source as CanVec & GeoBase, and it's the same
level of detail.  (you might have seen that on the Canada wiki page)

There is a TONNE of information, so i'd recommend just mapping what you
like.  Others will join in once they see your area so well detailed & let
the competition begin!   (Quality in a small area, beats quantity over a big
area IMO)

2 - The Town of Duncan, BC On Vancouver Island is perhaps the best  mapped
place in Canada.
Although we did get some help from  (Local Mappers / Landsat / Yahoo imagery
/ CanVec/Toporama/GeoBaseNRN/ GeoBaseNHN/Cowichan Valley Regional District /
Atlas of Canada / NRCan geogratis ).   Great work Kevin Smith! (who is the
top contributor)   This is a wonderful example of a combination of efforts
from multiple sources.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.77478&lon=-123.69681&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

3 -

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> A purely personal point of view.  I like the footpaths, Google doesn't have
> these.  I'm not so sure about the houses as a block.  I'd be more inclined
> to drop in street numbers in post code blocks using 
> addr:interpolation
> .


> for example
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.47761&lon=-75.484175&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
>
> The reason for this is to cram in as much useful information as possible
> whilst minimising the number of points in the GIS database.  Each house has
> a min of four points as a block, using interpolation two points can
> represent a block of ten houses.  Be aware though that I worked as an
> assembler language programmer forty years ago when computer resources were
> much more expensive than they are today but I still like to consider them so
> I'm bias.
>

Yup, and how you already have houses drawn in.  It will make the map look
even better.

Cheers,
Sam


>
> Postcode searches don't exactly work as they should in Canada at the moment
> but being able to look up an address helps routing software etc.
>
> Any buses run in the area?  Bus stops can be useful to people trying to
> find their way by public transport.
>
> Any businesses or stores around?  Supermarkets perhaps that are open 24
> hours?  Tag them with their web site, phone number, type of business etc.
> Especially decent coffee shops, you never know I might want to visit
> sometime.
>
> OSM is electronic so add tags in JOSM perhaps to POIs.  Once the data is in
> the database different rendering solutions can pull or present different
> images based on what the user would like to see.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
>
> On 13 April 2010 20:25, Tyler Gunn  wrote:
>
>> I discovered OSM a few weeks ago and have been hooked since.  I've been
>> refining the existing map data for my subdivision, adding new roads,
>> cleaning up existing ones, and adding POIs.
>>
>> I've also traced all the houses in my subdivision and am planning to head
>> out with a stack of WalkingPapers and gather POIs and address mappings:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.78226&lon=-97.16557&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF
>>
>> Can anyone out there recommend good examples of well mapped areas in
>> Canada?  I'm just looking to get a feel for what people are mapping, and how
>> they're handling interesting road junctions, etc.  I realize the Wiki has
>> guidelines for lots of this but its always nice to get some tips and tricks
>> from other sources as well.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tyler
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[john whelan]

A purely personal point of view.  I like the footpaths, Google doesn't have
these.  I'm not so sure about the houses as a block.  I'd be more inclined
to drop in street numbers in post code blocks using
addr:interpolation
.

for example
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.47761&lon=-75.484175&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

The reason for this is to cram in as much useful information as possible
whilst minimising the number of points in the GIS database.  Each house has
a min of four points as a block, using interpolation two points can
represent a block of ten houses.  Be aware though that I worked as an
assembler language programmer forty years ago when computer resources were
much more expensive than they are today but I still like to consider them so
I'm bias.

Postcode searches don't exactly work as they should in Canada at the moment
but being able to look up an address helps routing software etc.

Any buses run in the area?  Bus stops can be useful to people trying to find
their way by public transport.

Any businesses or stores around?  Supermarkets perhaps that are open 24
hours?  Tag them with their web site, phone number, type of business etc.
Especially decent coffee shops, you never know I might want to visit
sometime.

OSM is electronic so add tags in JOSM perhaps to POIs.  Once the data is in
the database different rendering solutions can pull or present different
images based on what the user would like to see.

Cheerio John



On 13 April 2010 20:25, Tyler Gunn  wrote:

> I discovered OSM a few weeks ago and have been hooked since.  I've been
> refining the existing map data for my subdivision, adding new roads,
> cleaning up existing ones, and adding POIs.
>
> I've also traced all the houses in my subdivision and am planning to head
> out with a stack of WalkingPapers and gather POIs and address mappings:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.78226&lon=-97.16557&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF
>
> Can anyone out there recommend good examples of well mapped areas in
> Canada?  I'm just looking to get a feel for what people are mapping, and how
> they're handling interesting road junctions, etc.  I realize the Wiki has
> guidelines for lots of this but its always nice to get some tips and tricks
> from other sources as well.
>
> Thanks!
> Tyler
>
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Newbie to the Canadian mapping scene looking for examples of well mapped areas

[Tyler Gunn]

I discovered OSM a few weeks ago and have been hooked since.  I've been 
refining the existing map data for my subdivision, adding new roads, cleaning 
up existing ones, and adding POIs.

I've also traced all the houses in my subdivision and am planning to head out 
with a stack of WalkingPapers and gather POIs and address mappings:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.78226&lon=-97.16557&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF

Can anyone out there recommend good examples of well mapped areas in Canada?  
I'm just looking to get a feel for what people are mapping, and how they're 
handling interesting road junctions, etc.  I realize the Wiki has guidelines 
for lots of this but its always nice to get some tips and tricks from other 
sources as well.

Thanks!
Tyler



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