[talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

There is group of 51 vending machines( http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JjV 
 ) tagged

* amenity=vending_machine
* name=Automat na jizdenky MHD
* operator=DPMB
* payment:coins=yes
* vending=public_transport_tickets

Is it a good idea to use name tag in this way?

It seems to me that it is similar to name=Restaurant amenity=restaurant
and that moving this to description tag would be preferable.
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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Majka]

I would completely remove the name, not move it to a the description.

There is a correct operator set, and the name or description doesn't really add 
anything new.
Additionally - this seems to be the typical "new user and iD" goof, where the 
new mapper is adding the operator, but iD implies it needs the name by putting 
it prominently up.
Just look at the history where it was added. 

25. května 2019 9:55:07 SELČ, "Michal Fabík"  napsal:
> a) 
>anything and everything can/should have a name, and b) names and 
>descriptions 

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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Michal Fabík]

On 24/05/2019 23:25, Miroslav Suchý wrote:

In my opinion the name does not make a harm.


I can think of a couple of reasons why not to do it:

1) The "name" is quite long and in some renderers it takes up space that 
could otherwise be used for more useful names. It's even wrapped to two 
lines in OsmAnd, for instance. Yes, I know, tagging for the renderer 
etc., but I believe that considering the tagging is inherently wrong 
(it's a description, not a name), even this should be taken into account.


2) More importantly, I believe tagging like this only fuels the notion 
that seems to be pretty widespread with OSM beginners, namely that a) 
anything and everything can/should have a name, and b) names and 
descriptions are the same thing.  Granted, this isn't much of an issue 
in Czechia, which is both well mapped (so there isn't much opportunity 
to add new stuff) and well maintained (so the erroneous edits don't hold 
for too long), but some of the less developed parts of the OSM world are 
littered with "names" such as "school", "roundabout", "grocery store", 
"forest path" and similar. IMHO we shouldn't be setting an example like 
this if we can help it.


If it has to be specified what kind of tickets the machine sells and the 
operator=* tag isn't enough for some reason, we could specify a public 
transport network with the same network=* tag that's used with public 
transport route relations. If, somehow, even that weren't enough 
(although I can't think of a real world scenario like that), the vending 
machine node could be made a member of a specific route or maybe 
public_transport=stop_area relation.
Furthermore, the "MHD" in name=* (or description=* for that matter) 
won't mean much to non-Czech speakers anyway.


--
Michal Fabík


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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj

On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 23:25, Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> Technicaly public_transport_tickets can be for any public transport.
> Rails, boats, trams... so the name *can* specify this. In theory this
> can be already specified by operator...
>

Yes, it can be justified, when it clarifies the context (MHD is only used
for the local public transport, not a long-distance one), but it is hardly
a *name*... I agree with Mateusz, that this would serve its purpose well
enough in description.

H.
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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 24. 05. 19 v 21:54 Mateusz Konieczny napsal(a):
> There is a group of 51 vending machines( http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JjV
> ) tagged
> 
> * amenity=vending_machine
> * name=Automat na jizdenky MHD
> * operator=DPMB
> * payment:coins=yes
> * vending=public_transport_tickets
> 
> Is it a good idea to use name tag in this way?

Technicaly public_transport_tickets can be for any public transport.
Rails, boats, trams... so the name *can* specify this. In theory this
can be already specified by operator...
In my opinion the name does not make a harm. And taginfo say that 12.64%
of vending=public_transport_tickets use the name as well. So it is not
so uncommon.

Miroslav

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[talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

There is a group of 51 vending machines( http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JjV 
 ) tagged

* amenity=vending_machine
* name=Automat na jizdenky MHD
* operator=DPMB
* payment:coins=yes
* vending=public_transport_tickets

Is it a good idea to use name tag in this way?

It seems to me that it is similar to name=Restaurant amenity=restaurant
and that moving this to description tag would be preferable.
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