Re: [Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
It should be added to all buildings then if you want to use it in that way. I can do that too, but we need some agreement on this. Either we use it or not, or use it in some particular cases (then we need to decide in which cases). My idea was to use addr:country=EE along the border only (10-20km). That would help to resolve the ambiguity when people extract countries by a simplified .poly outline (it's always a simplified one, because the true Estonia border cosists of 10335 nodes). Other options would be to either use it everywhere, or to remove it completely. Leaving things in a chaotic state because people can't decide is probably the worst option. Any other option would at least have some thoughts behind it and explanation why it's done in that way. What's the global practice with this tag? The only thing I've found in wiki is: "Using addr:country=*, addr:state=*, and addr:province=* are optional, since they can almost always be determined from boundary relations." Taginfo doesn't help either: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr:country#values I don't know what to make out of this. Четверг, 3 октября 2019, 21:56 +03:00 от "Manuel Hohmann" : > I would not remove addr:country=EE, in particular not as a mechanical edit. > For a human user the country may be obvious, but for software it is much > simpler to read the tags of an object than to find administrative borders, > construct their geometry and determine whether a given address is within that > border or not. > > On 03.10.19 21:42, SviMik via Talk-ee wrote: > > I think I agree with you that the addr:country=EE tag is redundant, > especially far from the border. Do you think it's okay if I remove this tag > automatically from all building further than 20km from the border? Like that: > http://svimik.com/osmaddrcountryremoval1.png > > ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
I would not remove addr:country=EE, in particular not as a mechanical edit. For a human user the country may be obvious, but for software it is much simpler to read the tags of an object than to find administrative borders, construct their geometry and determine whether a given address is within that border or not. On 03.10.19 21:42, SviMik via Talk-ee wrote: I think I agree with you that the addr:country=EE tag is redundant, especially far from the border. Do you think it's okay if I remove this tag automatically from all building further than 20km from the border? Like that: http://svimik.com/osmaddrcountryremoval1.png signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
I think I agree with you that the addr:country=EE tag is redundant, especially far from the border. Do you think it's okay if I remove this tag automatically from all building further than 20km from the border? Like that: http://svimik.com/osmaddrcountryremoval1.png Вторник, 24 сентября 2019, 18:16 +03:00 от "Jaak Laineste" : > > There is a wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Et:Key:addr ., I > think it is basically tase 5: housename, tase 6: housenumber if I get the > question right. > > Feel free to enhance the wiki page, not everyone reads talk-ee, but wiki is > more official doc :) > > > Jaak > > > > On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:51, SviMik via Talk-ee > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a tagging puzzle here. Maa-amet classifies address parts in the > following way: > > > > Tase 3 – asustusüksus ja linnaosa > > Tase 4 – väikekoht > > Tase 5 – liikluspind (tänav) > > Tase 6 – maaüksuse nimi > > Tase 7 – aadressi number > > > > The problem is, that many buildings in Estonia do not have Tase 5 (street > name), but instead have Tase 6 (lot name) and may or may not have Tase 7 > (housenumber) at the same time. > > > > According to OSM wiki, addr:place is "part of an address which refers to the > name of some territorial zone". > > Looks perfect so far, "the name of some territorial zone" is literally > "maaüksuse nimi". > > But... > > 1. addr:place requires place=* node or area to be mapped too, which is not > really doable for every land lot. > > 2. I'm already using addr:place for Tase 4 (väikekoht, aiandusühistu, etc) > which fits better for this role. > > > > We could use addr:housename for this instead. > > Indeed, Tase 6 is often used as a replacement for the street+number scheme, > and in most cases is literally the property name. > > But... > > 1. Sometimes Tase 6 comes with Tase 7 (housenumber). I'm not sure if > addr:housename can be used together with addr:housenumber, the addr:housename > sounds like it must be the final address part. > > > > Examples with house number: > > > > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;1 > > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;2 > > - here Kasemäe is tase6, not street (tase5), but it still uses house > numbering. This example looks like addr:place. > > > > Lääne-Viru maakond;Kadrina vald;Arbavere küla;Palkoja baas > > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Vihasoo küla;Pumbamaja > > Harju maakond;Anija vald;Härmakosu küla;Härmakosu tehnopark > > - here the last part is tase6 too. They don't have house numbers, and these > examles do look like addr:housename. > > > > So, the questions is: where exactly do I put the Maa-amet "Tase 6" address > part in OSM tagging scheme? > > And is it OK to use addr:housename together with addr:housenumber? > > > > -- > > SviMik > > ___ > > Talk-ee mailing list > > Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee > > -- Svjatoslav Mikhailov ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
Uuendasin seda lehte, et viia vastavusse reaalsele praktikale ja lisasin Tasemete nimekirja. Seal oli tõesti päris palju vanu linke ja infot. Palun kontrollige detaile, kas on nii nagu imporditud ja nagu oleks ka loogiline. Näiteks kaks välja on redundantsed - city ja country, sest need on ka admin infos olemas ja nt Nominatim annab topelt alluvuse. Kas neid igale majale lisada on üldse mõtet, võibolla neist loobuda? Eriti puhas oleks tänavanime asemel kasutada relatsioone ja viiteid tänavajoonele, aga see teeb redigeerimise kohe raskeks. Jaak > On 24 Sep 2019, at 18:16, Jaak Laineste wrote: > > > There is a wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Et:Key:addr ., I > think it is basically tase 5: housename, tase 6: housenumber if I get the > question right. > > Feel free to enhance the wiki page, not everyone reads talk-ee, but wiki is > more official doc :) > > > Jaak > > >> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:51, SviMik via Talk-ee >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a tagging puzzle here. Maa-amet classifies address parts in the >> following way: >> >> Tase 3 – asustusüksus ja linnaosa >> Tase 4 – väikekoht >> Tase 5 – liikluspind (tänav) >> Tase 6 – maaüksuse nimi >> Tase 7 – aadressi number >> >> The problem is, that many buildings in Estonia do not have Tase 5 (street >> name), but instead have Tase 6 (lot name) and may or may not have Tase 7 >> (housenumber) at the same time. >> >> According to OSM wiki, addr:place is "part of an address which refers to the >> name of some territorial zone". >> Looks perfect so far, "the name of some territorial zone" is literally >> "maaüksuse nimi". >> But... >> 1. addr:place requires place=* node or area to be mapped too, which is not >> really doable for every land lot. >> 2. I'm already using addr:place for Tase 4 (väikekoht, aiandusühistu, etc) >> which fits better for this role. >> >> We could use addr:housename for this instead. >> Indeed, Tase 6 is often used as a replacement for the street+number scheme, >> and in most cases is literally the property name. >> But... >> 1. Sometimes Tase 6 comes with Tase 7 (housenumber). I'm not sure if >> addr:housename can be used together with addr:housenumber, the >> addr:housename sounds like it must be the final address part. >> >> Examples with house number: >> >> Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;1 >> Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;2 >> - here Kasemäe is tase6, not street (tase5), but it still uses house >> numbering. This example looks like addr:place. >> >> Lääne-Viru maakond;Kadrina vald;Arbavere küla;Palkoja baas >> Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Vihasoo küla;Pumbamaja >> Harju maakond;Anija vald;Härmakosu küla;Härmakosu tehnopark >> - here the last part is tase6 too. They don't have house numbers, and these >> examles do look like addr:housename. >> >> So, the questions is: where exactly do I put the Maa-amet "Tase 6" address >> part in OSM tagging scheme? >> And is it OK to use addr:housename together with addr:housenumber? >> >> -- >> SviMik >> ___ >> Talk-ee mailing list >> Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee > ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
There is a wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Et:Key:addr ., I think it is basically tase 5: housename, tase 6: housenumber if I get the question right. Feel free to enhance the wiki page, not everyone reads talk-ee, but wiki is more official doc :) Jaak > On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:51, SviMik via Talk-ee > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a tagging puzzle here. Maa-amet classifies address parts in the > following way: > > Tase 3 – asustusüksus ja linnaosa > Tase 4 – väikekoht > Tase 5 – liikluspind (tänav) > Tase 6 – maaüksuse nimi > Tase 7 – aadressi number > > The problem is, that many buildings in Estonia do not have Tase 5 (street > name), but instead have Tase 6 (lot name) and may or may not have Tase 7 > (housenumber) at the same time. > > According to OSM wiki, addr:place is "part of an address which refers to the > name of some territorial zone". > Looks perfect so far, "the name of some territorial zone" is literally > "maaüksuse nimi". > But... > 1. addr:place requires place=* node or area to be mapped too, which is not > really doable for every land lot. > 2. I'm already using addr:place for Tase 4 (väikekoht, aiandusühistu, etc) > which fits better for this role. > > We could use addr:housename for this instead. > Indeed, Tase 6 is often used as a replacement for the street+number scheme, > and in most cases is literally the property name. > But... > 1. Sometimes Tase 6 comes with Tase 7 (housenumber). I'm not sure if > addr:housename can be used together with addr:housenumber, the addr:housename > sounds like it must be the final address part. > > Examples with house number: > > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;1 > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;2 > - here Kasemäe is tase6, not street (tase5), but it still uses house > numbering. This example looks like addr:place. > > Lääne-Viru maakond;Kadrina vald;Arbavere küla;Palkoja baas > Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Vihasoo küla;Pumbamaja > Harju maakond;Anija vald;Härmakosu küla;Härmakosu tehnopark > - here the last part is tase6 too. They don't have house numbers, and these > examles do look like addr:housename. > > So, the questions is: where exactly do I put the Maa-amet "Tase 6" address > part in OSM tagging scheme? > And is it OK to use addr:housename together with addr:housenumber? > > -- > SviMik > ___ > Talk-ee mailing list > Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
[Talk-ee] Maa-amet Tase 6 (maaüksuse nimi) – addr:place või addr:housename?
Hi all, I have a tagging puzzle here. Maa-amet classifies address parts in the following way: Tase 3 – asustusüksus ja linnaosa Tase 4 – väikekoht Tase 5 – liikluspind (tänav) Tase 6 – maaüksuse nimi Tase 7 – aadressi number The problem is, that many buildings in Estonia do not have Tase 5 (street name), but instead have Tase 6 (lot name) and may or may not have Tase 7 (housenumber) at the same time. According to OSM wiki, addr:place is "part of an address which refers to the name of some territorial zone". Looks perfect so far, "the name of some territorial zone" is literally "maaüksuse nimi". But... 1. addr:place requires place=* node or area to be mapped too, which is not really doable for every land lot. 2. I'm already using addr:place for Tase 4 (väikekoht, aiandusühistu, etc) which fits better for this role. We could use addr:housename for this instead. Indeed, Tase 6 is often used as a replacement for the street+number scheme, and in most cases is literally the property name. But... 1. Sometimes Tase 6 comes with Tase 7 (housenumber). I'm not sure if addr:housename can be used together with addr:housenumber, the addr:housename sounds like it must be the final address part. Examples with house number: Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;1 Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Leesi küla;Kasemäe;2 - here Kasemäe is tase6, not street (tase5), but it still uses house numbering. This example looks like addr:place. Lääne-Viru maakond;Kadrina vald;Arbavere küla;Palkoja baas Harju maakond;Kuusalu vald;Vihasoo küla;Pumbamaja Harju maakond;Anija vald;Härmakosu küla;Härmakosu tehnopark - here the last part is tase6 too. They don't have house numbers, and these examles do look like addr:housename. So, the questions is: where exactly do I put the Maa-amet "Tase 6" address part in OSM tagging scheme? And is it OK to use addr:housename together with addr:housenumber? -- SviMik ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
