[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Black Country Mapping Party - April 4 5
The next Cloudmade sponsored mapping party will be in the heart of the Black Country hosted at The Public in West Bromwich on April 4/5. This party will be the main kick-off event in our attempt to map the remaining 284 segments of the cake for the wider Black Country area by Christmas this year. A tall order, maybe, but with help definitely doable. The event has the support of local MP and Minister for Digital Engagement Tom Watson, who has helped facilitate our use of The Public as a venue. Tom has links with many local groups and is keen to see local involvement in the map, this we need as many experienced OSMers as possible to help the event run smoothly and ensure everyone has a lot of fun. We also hope to see Tom along trying out mapping for himself sometime over the weekend. And to help with making the weekend a lot of fun, and whet your apetite for mapping, the first West Bromwich Real Ale Festival is running at The Public over the same weekend. Couture cafe bar is hosting it, there will be a choice of 18 real ales and 2 ciders. Free live music during the festival is being sponsored by Major Key Studios and Fairbright Group, the Trevor Burton Band and Tipitina are two of the acts due to appear at the festival. There will be a bouncy castle for children on the town square and families and children are most welcome. So fun for all! More to follow as organisation proceeds at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia/Black_Country Please sign up on the page if you are coming. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] OpenStreetMap Mapping Event - spread the word
Please spread the word. On the weekend of 4th 5th April 2009, the OpenStreetMap team of volunteers will be adding Sandwell to the global mapping revolution. Contributors to the OpenStreetMap project are meeting at The Public in West Bromwich with the aim of completely mapping the streets and other major features of the borough. Anyone wishing to take part in the mapping weekend are asked to come along to The Public, New Street, West Bromwich, West Midlands, B70 7PG at 10:00am on Saturday 4th (and/or Sunday 5th) to collect GPS mapping units before going their separate ways to map the borough for a couple of hours or the rest of the day. The OSM project was started in 2004 to enable anyone to use maps in creative, productive or unexpected ways. The use of traditional maps is hampered by legal and technical restrictions that severely curtail their use. The OpenStreetMap project aims to create free geographical data, like street maps, that can be used anywhere by anyone. OpenStreetMap contributors, will be driving, cycling, and wandering Sandwell with GPS (Global Positioning System) units recording the routes of as many streets, cycleways and footpaths as possible. The tracks recorded over the weekend will be added to the online OpenStreetMap.org database where anyone in the world with access to the internet can browse, annotate, reference, edit and use the data in any way they want. Collaborative mapping is a rapidly growing activity and is being driven in part by technology (cheap GPS equipment and online collaboration tools such as OpenStreetMap.org). Our project now has over 100,000 registered users worldwide. What makes such projects stand out is their knowledge production and ownership ethos. Under such open-source models the rights of authorship are decentralised and the knowledge gathered is seen as a common resource that can be distributed and re-used without restriction or licence. This approach has real potential to empower people to create their own knowledge and encourages re-use of cartographic resources in novel and creative ways. The map data produced over the weekend will contribute to OpenStreetMap.org, the leading project in the open-source mapping field and a major player in the Linked Data arena. Currently, OpenStreetMap has mapped large portions of the country, including the whole of Birmingham which was completed last year. Now it's the turn of the Black Country! We hope that an intensive effort to build a map of the whole of the borough in a weekend will inspire others and help to build momentum across the rest of the region and beyond. As an open organisation with no membership requirements, we welcome the participation of anyone, young or old, who will be in West Bromwich on the 4th and/or 5th April. Anyone interested in taking part should contact Andy Robinson (andy at osmfoundation.org) or call +44 777 553 7872 ENDS To view the current map or find further information about the OpenStreetMap project please visit our website, http://www.openstreetmap.org Further details of the weekend mapping event can be found on the project wiki at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia/Black_Country For more media enquiries, please contact the OSM Foundation secretary Andy Robinson (a...@osmfoundation.org), phone +447775537872. Andy will be in West Bromwich for the event. ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
David Earl wrote: Sent: 18 March 2009 10:43 AM To: Ed Loach Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging On 18/03/2009 10:36, Ed Loach wrote: Hi Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries ... one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. Is there something special about beer (in geographical terms) - for example, would there need to be a special designation for a factory making stockings or a printing works? In that sense it's a bit like shop=... We could either say what kind of factory something is, or just group them all under one heading, but I don't really see that modern brewing has something about it that makes is individually special over any other industrial process. yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much help with me just tagging a node (Farmers Brewery is essentially a microbrewery with capacity for I believe 8 barrels which was dictated by door width and ceiling height limiting what vessels they could get into the space available which is part of some out buildings for the adjacent hotel). For tagging the node I considered * building=brewery (Map Features says area only though original proposal also mentions node) * shop=brewery (they do also have a shop for bottled beers adjacent to the brewery) * amenity=brewery (as I picked pub in JOSM and manually changed pub to brewery, which is how it is currently tagged) * man_made=brewery (though it wasn't originally made to be a brewery) and so on. There is one standalone brewery (Harwich) in the Essex district I live in and tend to map, and I've not tagged it yet. There are also a couple of pubs which contain microbreweries, but they're only tagged as pubs so far with no mention that they have associated breweries (e.g. Cross Inn, Great Bromley for Sticklegs Brewery and the Railway Tavern, Brightlingsea contains The Railway Tavern Brewing Co.). Perhaps it isn't important though. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
On 18/03/2009 11:21, Ed Loach wrote: one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much help with me just tagging a node (Farmers Brewery is essentially a microbrewery with capacity for I believe 8 barrels which was dictated by door width and ceiling height limiting what vessels they could get into the space available which is part of some out buildings for the adjacent hotel). For tagging the node I considered * building=brewery (Map Features says area only though original proposal also mentions node) * shop=brewery (they do also have a shop for bottled beers adjacent to the brewery) * amenity=brewery (as I picked pub in JOSM and manually changed pub to brewery, which is how it is currently tagged) * man_made=brewery (though it wasn't originally made to be a brewery) and so on. There is one standalone brewery (Harwich) in the Essex district I live in and tend to map, and I've not tagged it yet. There are also a couple of pubs which contain microbreweries, but they're only tagged as pubs so far with no mention that they have associated breweries (e.g. Cross Inn, Great Bromley for Sticklegs Brewery and the Railway Tavern, Brightlingsea contains The Railway Tavern Brewing Co.). Perhaps it isn't important though. My point was, though, that if brewery deserves to be identified, then so do all other business/industrail premises, as we have started doing shops. Therefore using some_existing_tag=brewery isn't so good. So maybe we need factory=brewery|printers|clothing etc like shop(*) Micro-breweries are perhaps a different matter, and by coincidence there is also one of these in Bury St Edmunds, here: href=http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.24951lon=0.71468zoom=17layers=B000FTFTTmlat=52.24962mlon=0.71470 Is this just perhaps some additional property of something already marked amenity=pub? David (*) PS I know some people aren't going to like this, but in retail parks with big shed type shops, I've taken to marking landuse=retail and then putting nodes marked landuse=retail; name=whatever within them sop identify individual shops. I'd use shop=... except that the names aren't rendered then (and yes, that's tagging for the renderer). I guess I could also do both. Ditto individual large factories in industrial estates (landuse=industrial). Examples of both side-by-die also in Bury: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.23952lon=0.74751zoom=16layers=B000FTTT ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Hi Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a proposal page mentions: you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer', 'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial', 'plant', 'works' I was at Farmers Brewery in Maldon last night and have tagged it as amenity=brewery for now, and then looked at other breweries that sprang to mind to see how they were tagged. The Felstar Brewery is in a vineyard, so I've actually got that tagged as landuse=vineyard, and one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). Banks's (or is it Marstons these days) in Wolverhampton isn't tagged at all. Then I gave up searching and thought I'd ask here how others do it. I tried tagwatch and there are quite a few brewery= tags which I believe are to indicate who owns a given pub, and there are a couple of poi=brewery. Suggestions welcome Thanks Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me Works for me too. Also extends nicely to constructions like building=industrial industrial=brewing operator=Duff Corp name=Hop storage shed #6 for standalone bits. Of course, without visiting a place, you can't really map it. So who wants to try to try to organise a map-up event at their local brewery? -- Andrew Chadwick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: for standalone bits. Of course, without visiting a place, you can't really map it. So who wants to try to try to organise a map-up event at their local brewery? Mine definitely needs mapping: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.22818lon=-0.73155zoom=17layers=B000FTF Distinct lack of Hogs Back Brewery there. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andy wrote: yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me After some thought I went with this, but if the node ever becomes an area I would probably tag it building=brewery. I quite like the idea of a business= tag though. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
2009/3/18 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a proposal page mentions: you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer', 'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial', 'plant', 'works' I went for man_made=works, landuse=industrial, name=Megacorp Brewery Many breweries are more than one building on a site, but as a landmark node that'll do for me. cheers, LT ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
