Re: [Talk-GB] Wincanton streets in the news

[Tim Waters (chippy)]

2009/4/7 Peter Childs :
> I notice this week that Wincanton has a new house estate and the
> streets are getting named after Ankh-Morpork (If any one is going to
> map that I'm not sure where we put the data :)
>
> Is there a way to tag towns with there twin town.
>
> Oh where is Peach Pie Street and Treacle Mine Road.
>
> Peter.

It's one of those life imitating art imitating life things, but there
have been many Treacle Mines in the UK. In particular, Polegate
Treacle Mine in East Sussex, has given it's name to a reasonably new
pub off the A22 :-)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.829606&mlon=0.236614&zoom=17

For a more comprehensive list of mines:
http://www.treacleminer.com/ unfortunately many of these mines are disused.

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[Talk-GB] Wincanton streets in the news

[Peter Childs]

I notice this week that Wincanton has a new house estate and the
streets are getting named after Ankh-Morpork (If any one is going to
map that I'm not sure where we put the data :)

Is there a way to tag towns with there twin town.

Oh where is Peach Pie Street and Treacle Mine Road.

Peter.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

[Nick Whitelegg]

>I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are
>in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely
>irritating!  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't
>is frankly beyond me.

It kind of does, the "designation" tag has been mentioned on this mailing 
list (and is used by some).
Some (but not all) are advocating this approach, i.e. 
highway=track|path|footway (the last two rather interchangeable, it seems) 
and 
designation=public_footpath|public_bridleway|public_byway|restricted_byway|permissive_footpath|permissive_bridleway.
 


Nick

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Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

[Andy Allan]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Al Girling  wrote:
>  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't
> is frankly beyond me.

Because you're reading too much into the name. All the highway tags
were initially made up to end in '...way'. So forget you're ideas of
what a "footway" or a "footpath" or a "sidewalk" or "pavement" or
"path" or "pathway" or "driveway" or "towpath" (or "freeway") mean
outside OSM, since they don't correspond to OSM highway types, even in
the cases where the name is used.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

[Richard Mann]

To clarify, I was suggesting using highway=path for unmade or roughly-made
footpaths, and highway=footway for made-up footpaths. Muddy paths would be
highway=path whether they are in the countryside or between houses.

There is a strong correlation between whether a path is made up and it's
urban/rural location, but it is the degree of making up that I was
suggesting should be used as the criteria for the highway key.

The surface key is unusable for practical rendering - it's too detailed.
Smoothness ditto. Tracktype barely. I could imagine a new (fourth?!) key for
describing whether the path was made-up or not, but incorporating the basic
distinction (made-up or not) into the highway key seems to match existing
tagging better. This would lead to path/bridleway*/track for unmade and
footway/cycleway/service/unclassified/etc for made-up. (* bridleway is only
really used in the UK).

The question of whether a path is designated is inherently better defined
(though jurisdiction-dependent), and so probably fits well into a separate
key (designation) for those situations/jurisdictions where it doesn't align
completely with highway, and keeps such local idiosyncracies in a safe
place.

This may not be the ideal tagging scheme, but it fits reasonably with what
has been done already (not just in the UK), is renderable, and is reasonably
clear for new taggers (unlike the current state of the wiki).

Richard (West Oxford)

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Al Girling wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:42:46PM BST, Richard Mann wrote:
> >
> > *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether
> > urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively
> ***
>
> I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are
> in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely
> irritating!  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't
> is frankly beyond me.
>
> As far as I'm concerned paths should be tagged highway=path with
> designations for public footpaths/bridleways/cyclepaths and other uses
> for paths used added where appropriate.  Surface tags could be included
> for those so inclined.
>
> I'd also like to see a green dotted line to indicate a public footpath
> to compliment the green line of dashes used for bridleways.
>
> Al
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

[Al Girling]

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:42:46PM BST, Richard Mann wrote:
> 
> *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether
> urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively ***

I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are
in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely
irritating!  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't
is frankly beyond me.

As far as I'm concerned paths should be tagged highway=path with
designations for public footpaths/bridleways/cyclepaths and other uses
for paths used added where appropriate.  Surface tags could be included
for those so inclined.

I'd also like to see a green dotted line to indicate a public footpath
to compliment the green line of dashes used for bridleways.

Al

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