Re: [Talk-GB] MK Redways

[Ed Loach]

> Yep, seems reasonable to me. Unless each redway has a different

> reference or somesuch.

 

They didn't that I could see. I've created a relation and documented
it on the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Nation
al_Cycle_Network/Local_Routes

 

Oh, and added a few ways to the relation too. Perhaps someone can
double check I got the tags about correct, please?

 

Ed

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Re: [Talk-GB] MK Redways

[Andy Allan]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ed Loach  wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>
>> Not using the lcn_ref tag, please. It's hardly an
>> alphanumerical identifier tag.
>>
>> If you put them in as a relation, then both the name and/or ref
>> tags
>> are respected by the cycle map.
>
> So, perhaps a single relation for all MK Redways?

Yep, seems reasonable to me. Unless each redway has a different
reference or somesuch.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] MK Redways

[Ed Loach]

Andy wrote:

> Not using the lcn_ref tag, please. It's hardly an
> alphanumerical identifier tag.
> 
> If you put them in as a relation, then both the name and/or ref
> tags
> are respected by the cycle map.

So, perhaps a single relation for all MK Redways? 

Ed



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Re: [Talk-GB] MK Redways

[Andy Allan]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Ed Loach  wrote:
> I notice from the rerendered cycle map layer, that some of these have been 
> tagged as a local cycle network "Redway"
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.0473&lon=-0.7524&zoom=13&layers=00B0FTF
>
> Should we do this with all the Redways?

Not using the lcn_ref tag, please. It's hardly an alphanumerical identifier tag.

If you put them in as a relation, then both the name and/or ref tags
are respected by the cycle map.

Cheers,
Andy

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[Talk-GB] MK Redways

[Ed Loach]

I notice from the rerendered cycle map layer, that some of these have been 
tagged as a local cycle network "Redway"

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.0473&lon=-0.7524&zoom=13&layers=00B0FTF

Should we do this with all the Redways? 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Russ Phillips]

Thanks to everyone for the responses. At least now I have some idea of
what the issue is.

Russ

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[Talk-GB] GPS to stop working

[Brian Prangle]

Good coverage of the issue here (has a link to the original US Govt agency
report|)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/gao_predicts_gps_failure/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Peter Childs]

2009/5/21 Steve Hill :
> On Thu, 21 May 2009, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>> And with any luck Galileo should be up and running in a few years...
>
> They are still claiming they will have 30 sats up by the end of 2013...
> assuming that includes the 2 test sats they have in orbit already, they
> are going to have to launch 28 satellites in 4.5 years.  Averaging a new
> satellite every 2 months doesn't seem very likley in the current economic
> climate, sadly.
>

Given they are anything like the Russian system they can be launched
in pairs (or even 6 at a time) so I suspect that once they know they
work and start the job it will get completed relatively quickly.

The theory looks like You should be able to use all 4 systems at once
and hence get triangulate down to even better accuracy. (Galileo is
stalking 10cm for subscription use, but I suspect even better maybe
available by using multiple systems at once)

The story on Radio 2 and the Metro this week looks to be the fact the
US are running late with the replacement satellites. and hence there
may be a gap between the old satellites falling out the sky and the
new ones going up. Since Russian Ones are already up and running but
not many are using them, I suspect the hole will be filled by patching
all 4 systems together. (Oh the 4th being China)

Peter.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Steve Hill]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Chris Jones wrote:

> And with any luck Galileo should be up and running in a few years...

They are still claiming they will have 30 sats up by the end of 2013... 
assuming that includes the 2 test sats they have in orbit already, they 
are going to have to launch 28 satellites in 4.5 years.  Averaging a new 
satellite every 2 months doesn't seem very likley in the current economic 
climate, sadly.

  - Steve
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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Glenn Proctor]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> Glenn Proctor wrote:
>>
>> Media hype, as a result of political maneuvering by one of the several
>> agencies involved with keeping GPS going[1]. The US is behind on one
>> of the programs that launches new/replacement satellites, but the
>> reality is that there are, IIRC, over 30 satellites currently in orbit
>> plus 2 spares. 24 are needed for full global coverage so there's
>> plenty of leeway yet.
>>
>
> And with any luck Galileo should be up and running in a few years...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_positioning_system

Plus there's the (already functioning) Russian GLONASS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glonass

I think there are receiver chips that will work with both GPS and
GLONASS, but they're not that common at the moment, presumably because
they cost a few cents extra to manufacture. Perhaps the hype about GPS
will encourage manufacturers to start building in this capability.

Glenn.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[David Earl]

New Scietists covered this more than a month ago, and has another 
article this week:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227085.700-ageing-satellites-put-gps-at-risk.html
which references the original report on which this story has been based
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09325.pdf

David

On 21/05/2009 09:23, Douglas Furlong wrote:
> My father phoned me last night to discuss it.
> 
> I've not listened to the show, however my understanding is that, they 
> satellites are gradually reducing in orbit and as such will eventually 
> drop on our heads, as opposed to letting us know where we are.
> 
> Apparently the US Military have not spent any money putting new ones up, 
> hence the problem.
> 
> Some how though, I really do doubt that it would all just stop working, 
> the US I would have thought would need to have their own system, and I 
> doubt they would like loosing all the money that the GPS system brings in.
> 
> 
> 2009/5/21 Russ Phillips mailto:r...@phillipsuk.org>>
> 
> Yesterday, on Radio 2's drive time show, someone mentioned that sat
> navs would stop working next year. My wife heard it as she was driving
> home, but there were no details.
> 
> We can't work out what they were talking about. The Listen Again
> page is here:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kg9fr
> 
> I can't listen to it because I'm at work, but I can't find any mention
> of it on the BBC news pages. Does anyone know what they were talking
> about?
> 
> Russ
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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Chris Jones]

Glenn Proctor wrote:
> Media hype, as a result of political maneuvering by one of the several
> agencies involved with keeping GPS going[1]. The US is behind on one
> of the programs that launches new/replacement satellites, but the
> reality is that there are, IIRC, over 30 satellites currently in orbit
> plus 2 spares. 24 are needed for full global coverage so there's
> plenty of leeway yet.
>   

And with any luck Galileo should be up and running in a few years...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_positioning_system

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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Glenn Proctor]

Media hype, as a result of political maneuvering by one of the several
agencies involved with keeping GPS going[1]. The US is behind on one
of the programs that launches new/replacement satellites, but the
reality is that there are, IIRC, over 30 satellites currently in orbit
plus 2 spares. 24 are needed for full global coverage so there's
plenty of leeway yet.

Glenn.

[1] The fact that there isn't one agency in charge of this is a Bad Thing IMO.



On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Russ Phillips  wrote:
> Yesterday, on Radio 2's drive time show, someone mentioned that sat
> navs would stop working next year. My wife heard it as she was driving
> home, but there were no details.
>
> We can't work out what they were talking about. The Listen Again page is here:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kg9fr
>
> I can't listen to it because I'm at work, but I can't find any mention
> of it on the BBC news pages. Does anyone know what they were talking
> about?
>
> Russ
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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Ben Pollinger]

2009/5/21 Russ Phillips :
> I can't listen to it because I'm at work, but I can't find any mention
> of it on the BBC news pages. Does anyone know what they were talking
> about?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/gao_predicts_gps_failure/

If the BBC don't have it, Google News usually turns something up.

Some folk have been saying it's "too big to fail" - but I they said
that about the banks too...

cheers,
Ben

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Re: [Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Douglas Furlong]

My father phoned me last night to discuss it.

I've not listened to the show, however my understanding is that, they
satellites are gradually reducing in orbit and as such will eventually drop
on our heads, as opposed to letting us know where we are.

Apparently the US Military have not spent any money putting new ones up,
hence the problem.

Some how though, I really do doubt that it would all just stop working, the
US I would have thought would need to have their own system, and I doubt
they would like loosing all the money that the GPS system brings in.


2009/5/21 Russ Phillips 

> Yesterday, on Radio 2's drive time show, someone mentioned that sat
> navs would stop working next year. My wife heard it as she was driving
> home, but there were no details.
>
> We can't work out what they were talking about. The Listen Again page is
> here:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kg9fr
>
> I can't listen to it because I'm at work, but I can't find any mention
> of it on the BBC news pages. Does anyone know what they were talking
> about?
>
> Russ
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[Talk-GB] Sat Navs to stop working?

[Russ Phillips]

Yesterday, on Radio 2's drive time show, someone mentioned that sat
navs would stop working next year. My wife heard it as she was driving
home, but there were no details.

We can't work out what they were talking about. The Listen Again page is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kg9fr

I can't listen to it because I'm at work, but I can't find any mention
of it on the BBC news pages. Does anyone know what they were talking
about?

Russ

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Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Revert changes/bug in changeset?

[Ed Loach]

I wrote:

> If this hasn't been done yet, try investigating the H key in
> Potlatch. Reverting individual ways is usually fairly easy.

Sorry, wrong "talk" list...

Ed



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