Re: [Talk-GB] Tank=yes?
> I'd suggest hazard=tanks (plural). I've not seen signs warning about tanks, but did have to give way to one at a t-junction once on the road from Wolverhampton to Cosford (as I joined it on the road from Shifnal). You could feel the road (and car) vibrating long before you knew what was causing it... Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tank=yes?
I'd suggest hazard=tanks (plural). While we're on the subject, there's an official warning sign on the way into Portishead, Somerset that has the exclamation mark and text plate underneath which says "Low flying owls". It must be the only one in the country so I must remember to fix it's position when I'm down that way. They do badgers too... http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackspics/131581511/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tank=yes?
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Bruce Cowan wrote: > Also, on the A816 between Lochgilphead and Oban, there is a duck warning > sign [2]. Surely this would be ducks=yes (or indeed hazard=ducks). Surely ducks=yes should be interpretted like hgv=yes - i.e. ducks are allowed to use the road (I'm not aware of any legislation that makes it illegal for ducks to walk down roads :) - Steve xmpp:st...@nexusuk.org sip:st...@nexusuk.org http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tank=yes?
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 11:41 +0100, Peter Miller wrote: > I guess that when one sees a warning sign for 'Tanks turning' on a UK > road one should tag it as 'tank=yes'! > http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3619361478/ > > The joy of extensible tagging systems. There is a proposed feature [1] where it would probably be hazard=tanks. Also, on the A816 between Lochgilphead and Oban, there is a duck warning sign [2]. Surely this would be ducks=yes (or indeed hazard=ducks). [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard [2] http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bruce889/OSM?authkey=Gv1sRgCL-E86X6tZubvQE -- Bruce Cowan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Dartford Crossings
http://realcycling.blogspot.com/2009/05/thames-crossings-21-and-32-dartford.html (and you can also see in the photos that the signs change colour as you approach the toll booths, where the motorway gives way to being a trunk road just to go through the tunnel). David On 12/06/2009 11:46, Andy Allan wrote: > What? That page says nothing like that - it says you can use your > bicycle for free, and someone will drive you and it across the > crossing. Don't tell me you're proposing tagging it as a trunk road > simply so that naive cycle routing algorithms* will take you that way? > That's mis-tagging of the highest order. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Dartford Crossings
I should clarify - I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion, just your stated reasoning ;-) On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > What? That page says nothing like that - it says you can use your > bicycle for free, and someone will drive you and it across the > crossing. Don't tell me you're proposing tagging it as a trunk road > simply so that naive cycle routing algorithms* will take you that way? > That's mis-tagging of the highest order. > > Cheers, > Andy > > * == all of them count as naive for > bicycle=free_and_carried_for_you_by_transit_authority > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shaun > McDonald wrote: >> They should be trunk. There is an intentional gap in the M25 to allow >> routing of cyclists and pedestrians. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartford_Crossing#Non-road_traffic >> >> Shaun >> >> On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:57, Ed Loach wrote: >> >>> While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge >>> and the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are >>> tagged as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. >>> I don't believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that the M25 >>> ends at the last junction north of the river and starts at the first >>> junction south of the river after the toll booths. >>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4653&lon=0.2607&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF >>> I was wondering whether they should all be retagged highway=trunk (and >>> perhaps the (M) references lost)? >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Dartford Crossings
What? That page says nothing like that - it says you can use your bicycle for free, and someone will drive you and it across the crossing. Don't tell me you're proposing tagging it as a trunk road simply so that naive cycle routing algorithms* will take you that way? That's mis-tagging of the highest order. Cheers, Andy * == all of them count as naive for bicycle=free_and_carried_for_you_by_transit_authority On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > They should be trunk. There is an intentional gap in the M25 to allow > routing of cyclists and pedestrians. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartford_Crossing#Non-road_traffic > > Shaun > > On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:57, Ed Loach wrote: > >> While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge >> and the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are >> tagged as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. >> I don't believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that the M25 >> ends at the last junction north of the river and starts at the first >> junction south of the river after the toll booths. >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4653&lon=0.2607&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF >> I was wondering whether they should all be retagged highway=trunk (and >> perhaps the (M) references lost)? >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:39:04 +0100, Greg Stark wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Shaun > McDonald wrote: >> You can view changesets in the data browser, by clicking more in the >> following list of edits: > > That just shows the result though. It doesn't give any indication of > what's different from before or offer any way to revert. > > Compare with wikipedia where you can choose two different revisions > and see a side-by-side comparison of the sections which have changed. That's not true, you can see a list of the nodes, ways and relations that have changed, and view the history for each one. So the facility is there, it's just primitive and you have to manually work through the results in Potlatch to revert. It would be great as you say if you could get more of a side-by-side comparison, with a table of the new and last versions clearly showing changes made, and perhaps a link into the Potlatch editor to revert. Regards, Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Tank=yes?
I guess that when one sees a warning sign for 'Tanks turning' on a UK road one should tag it as 'tank=yes'! http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3619361478/ The joy of extensible tagging systems. Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > You can view changesets in the data browser, by clicking more in the > following list of edits: That just shows the result though. It doesn't give any indication of what's different from before or offer any way to revert. Compare with wikipedia where you can choose two different revisions and see a side-by-side comparison of the sections which have changed. It seems like the analog with a map would be two side-by-side maps with the nodes which are changed highlighted in both maps. New nodes would be highlighted in the new map in, say, green, deleted nodes highlighted in the old map in red, and changed nodes highlighted in both maps in a third colour. Just showing a single map with a brown rectangle around an entire area doesn't really give you a clue what in that rectangle has changed or what will happen if the changeset is reverted. -- greg http://mit.edu/~gsstark/resume.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Dartford Crossings
They should be trunk. There is an intentional gap in the M25 to allow routing of cyclists and pedestrians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartford_Crossing#Non-road_traffic Shaun On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:57, Ed Loach wrote: While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge and the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are tagged as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. I don't believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that the M25 ends at the last junction north of the river and starts at the first junction south of the river after the toll booths. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4653&lon=0.2607&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF I was wondering whether they should all be retagged highway=trunk (and perhaps the (M) references lost)? Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:42, Greg Stark wrote: > > How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the > changeset > viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view > changesets > usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current > view with > no way to view the "before" and "after" or other indication > of what > the change was. I had started in "Edit with Save" mode, so was able to select a way which looked wrong, press H for history, and if it showed Liam123 (as they did), selected the most recent edit not by him in the dropdown list and selected revert. This showed me how the way looked before he changed it. I'm a little concerned that if I reverted three different ways that met at the same node, there are now three separate nodes on top of each other though. Not that it really matters for boundaries (which they were), but I guess relation validation tools will show a break at some point and the nodes can be remerged. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Dartford Crossings
While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge and the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are tagged as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. I don't believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that the M25 ends at the last junction north of the river and starts at the first junction south of the river after the toll booths. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4653&lon=0.2607&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF I was wondering whether they should all be retagged highway=trunk (and perhaps the (M) references lost)? Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
You can view changesets in the data browser, by clicking more in the following list of edits: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/liam123/edits Shaun On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:42, Greg Stark wrote: How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the changeset viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view changesets usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current view with no way to view the "before" and "after" or other indication of what the change was. -- greg http://mit.edu/~gsstark/resume.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the changeset viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view changesets usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current view with no way to view the "before" and "after" or other indication of what the change was. -- greg http://mit.edu/~gsstark/resume.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
Actually, I might not have reverted everything I spotted. There seems to be a bug in Potlatch reversion - it doesn't always seem to save the changes. It seems to work if I revert and then briefly move a node and move it back again. Presumably this is making a new version based on the reverted one. Or perhaps I'm just doing something wrong. But I managed to revert the same river three times in separate edit sessions (live edit). Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
> Just spotted a railway line with a strange kink in it here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.56294&lon=0.38386&zoom=15&; > layer > s=B000FTF > > I'll revert it And it wasn't just that. There were also roads moved and added, rivers, woods and admin boundaries distorted - all obvious now they're rendered. I've reverted those that I've found. All liam123. This in the Basildon area. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
Just spotted a railway line with a strange kink in it here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.56294&lon=0.38386&zoom=15&layer s=B000FTF I'll revert it Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
The history for each object, specifically the nodes, will tell you where items need to revert to. I've also copied data@ in on this email so that if the problem should escalate (hopefully is just someone not realising they were messing with the live data) it can be tracked. Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Miller >Sent: 11 June 2009 11:39 PM >To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) >Subject: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area > > >I have found a number of damaged road and rail links done by this user >who registered on June 2nd and has done a number of edits since then: >http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 > >I removed a spurious railway line in London yesterday and also >corrected the position of a roundabout. I messaged him 24 hours ago >asking politely if it was a mistake or finger trouble without any >response. > >Today I have corrected further damage, this time to sections of the >M20 and HS1 although I have not checked all of the changes and am not, >of course sure what it looked like exactly before the damage. Thurrock >Railway station has been moved into the Thames. I haven't moved it >back because I don't know where it should be. > >Can I suggest that others go though the rest of his work and consider >some cunning manual reversion if necessary? > > >Regards, > > > >Peter > > > >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
