Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-02 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote:
 2010/1/2 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
   
 I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from
 the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're
 not really open, are they?
 

 What do you suggest they rename to?

 FreeCycleMap? :)
Yeah, why not?



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Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-02 Thread Dave F.
Dave F. wrote:
 John Smith wrote:
   
 2010/1/2 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
   
 
 I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from
 the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're
 not really open, are they?
 
   
 What do you suggest they rename to?

 FreeCycleMap? :)
 
 Yeah, why not?
   
Is there a wiki page that lists all the sites that use OSM data. I think 
OCM should be put there.

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Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-02 Thread Dave F.
Joseph Reeves wrote:
 FreeCycleMap? :)
   
 Yeah, why not?
 

 What's your definition of Free? Beer, speech or freedom? Following
 your argument we'd have to call it
 NoUpFrontFinancialCostToTheUser(ApartFromBandwidth)CycleMap

 Or we channel the communities abilities into mapping rather than
 arguing about this ;-)

I don't see how free speech is relevant in this case so - free beer.

It can be called whatever they like - MyCycleMap perhaps. It doesn't 
have to declare itself in the name - explain what it's source is in an 
'About...' dialog box along with an explanation about what it's keeping 
hidden.

But, remove it from the main page where it appears comparable with OSM 
in the open sense, which it clearly isn't.

My abilities have spent much time mapping over the previous week so I'm 
quite happy now, pointing out things that I think are out of proportion.

Cheers
Dave F.

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[Talk-GB] Garmin cycle map download available again

2010-01-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
It's at http://richard.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/gmapsupp.img

and it's a 271Mb file (including contours, etc. etc.). Freshly updated 
from the latest Geofabrik planet excerpt.

How to install:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download

Technical details:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Cycle_map

cheers
Richard

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[Talk-GB] OSM coverage by local authority

2010-01-02 Thread Peter Reed
A few months ago I compared the length of roads on the OSM database against
the figures quoted by the Department for transport, and posted the results
here. 

 

I've now updated the figures using the OSM database extract at the end of
2009.

 

The resulting map is here -
http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/OSMCoverJan2010.png and the data from
my analysis is here -
http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/OSMCoverageJan2010.csv . 

 

The DfT data can be found here -
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/roadstraffic/roa
dlengths/ 

 

In summary, the length of roads on OSM that I am able to compare with DfT
data has increased by around 5% if the last few months.

 

The south east of England is still generally better covered than the north,
but there is improved coverage all over the place. The biggest increase in
coverage is in Cornwall, which has moved  from less than 50% coverage to
more than 80%. There are also significant improvements in Plymouth, and a
number of cities in northern England and the West Midlands.

 

The length of roads plotted for all of the following authorities has
increased by more than 20%:

 

. Cornwall

. Plymouth

. Bury

. Wirral

. Telford  Wrekin

. Bolton 

. Rochdale 

. Oldham 

. Barnsley 

. Stoke-on-Trent

 

Apart from minor tweaking to the way I categorise roads, I have removed
anthing tagged Motorway link from the motorway totals, because I've
discovered from the Department for Transport that they currently don't count
links towards the length of motorways. This doesn't make a huge difference
to the overall totals of course. 

 

For anyone wanting to recreate this, I should point out that I'm still using
the admin boundaries as they stood four months ago. The reason for this is
that I had to do a fair amount of tidying up last time to remove overlaps
and inconsistencies in the boundaries. There have been some changes to the
data for admin boundaries on OSM over the last few months, and I really
ought to do the same tidying again, but it takes forever, and I don't have
time at the moment. That means that I've not picked up some new boundaries
in Wales that have been added since I did the last extract. In England I
don't think this can be making a great deal of difference, except possibly
at the margins of some local authorities.

 

Where I can't get local authority boundaries from OSM yet, I've continued to
use the EU regions instead. This mostly affects Scotland, where I can't find
any local authority boundaries on OSM. I don't have the EU regional
boundaries at the same level of precision as OSM admin boundaries so these
figures will be a but fuzzy round the edges.

 

As before, thoughts and comments are invited, and welcome. 

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM coverage by local authority

2010-01-02 Thread Dave F.
Peter Reed wrote:

 A few months ago I compared the length of roads on the OSM database 
 against the figures quoted by the Department for transport, and posted 
 the results here.

Thank you

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