[Talk-gb-midanglia] SotM 2011 UK? Setting up a GB OSMF chapter?
When the SotM 2011 venue bids were coming in, it seemed likely it would finally leave Europe. I heard some chatter that maybe it would make sense to hold a national/continent conference (like there is SotM US). Who is in support of that? What sort of numbers do you think it would attract? You all know I love Durham. But I actually think it would be really good to hold a national event in North East England. It is a section that isn't so strong (like Birmingham, London, Manchester) in map-coverage and contributors/users. Durham and Newcastle are on the East Coast Main Line (London Kings Cross to Edinburgh, and direct trains from the West). Other nearby cities that could be interesting are Sunderland, Middlesbrough/Stockton, Darlington, Hartlepool. I would see if some of the other active mappers would help with local organisation. But then this summer we never made a GB chapter of the OSM Foundation. Should we be focusing on that instead? I hope the mapping passion isn't sliding away from the UK. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-gb-midanglia mailing list Talk-gb-midanglia@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-midanglia
[Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes
We're importing the location of bus stops from NaPTAN, can we also load the NaPTAN codes for railway stations? All the GB railway stations are in OSM, but they're just identified by name. For example my local station: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/492098581 It is tagged like this: name: Nailsea and Backwell railway: station source: GPX + NPE The name is fragile thing to link on, somebody might change the 'and' to ''. I'd like to add the NaPTAN code to every station, using the same tag as bus stops, 'naptan:AtcoCode'. For example Nailsea and Backwell would be tagged like this: naptan:AtcoCode: 9100NAILSEA In NaPTAN all railway stations codes start with 9100. http://data.gov.uk/dataset/nptdr The recently released National Public Transport Data Repository (NPTDR) uses NaPTAN codes to refer to bus stops and stations. Making it easy to match NPTDR data with railway stations in OSM would be a good thing. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN says the dataset is Crown copyright but we have special permission to load it into OSM as CC-BY-SA. Would that include adding the NaPTAN codes to railway stations? Would this bulk import have to be done by the NaPTAN user, or would it be okay for me to use my account to load the data? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NaPTAN -- Edward. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes
On 10/24/10 20:26, o...@edwardbetts.com wrote: We're importing the location of bus stops from NaPTAN, can we also load the NaPTAN codes for railway stations? snip http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN says the dataset is Crown copyright but we have special permission to load it into OSM as CC-BY-SA. Would that include adding the NaPTAN codes to railway stations? Would this bulk import have to be done by the NaPTAN user, or would it be okay for me to use my account to load the data? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NaPTAN This was all on the todo list, but I never got around to doing anything about it. I'd be happy to hand over the account details if others have the time and motivation to do it. (I also need to get around to importing the remaining requested counties for bus stops...) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes
o...@... writes: We're importing the location of bus stops from NaPTAN, can we also load the NaPTAN codes for railway stations? I'd like to add the NaPTAN code to every station, using the same tag as bus stops, 'naptan:AtcoCode'. For example Nailsea and Backwell would be tagged like this: naptan:AtcoCode: 9100NAILSEA National Rail seems to use a three-letter code for stations - does that have any relationship to this NaPTAN code? For example http://traintimes.org.uk/london/edinburgh/ shows that Edinburgh is EDB, Euston is EUS and so on. From a technical point of view, I think importing this data should be unproblematic. Unlike the bus stop import, it won't create lots of extra objects on the map, and also unlike the bus stops, the data won't need manual checking after the upload. (It's just loading a new tag for stations that have already been added to the map from other sources.) The only difficulty would be stations that exist as two or more objects - some manual intervention might be needed to choose the right one(s). -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes
Great idea, but don't forget to think about any consequences of the likely license change. If the data is not available under the new licence the data will be removed from the main database and consigned to a pre-change mirror which won't be maintained. Which I guess also applies to the imports done to date? Kevin --Original Message-- From: o...@edwardbetts.com Sender: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: 24 Oct 2010 20:26 Subject: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes We're importing the location of bus stops from NaPTAN, can we also load the NaPTAN codes for railway stations? All the GB railway stations are in OSM, but they're just identified by name. For example my local station: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/492098581 It is tagged like this: name: Nailsea and Backwell railway: station source: GPX + NPE The name is fragile thing to link on, somebody might change the 'and' to ''. I'd like to add the NaPTAN code to every station, using the same tag as bus stops, 'naptan:AtcoCode'. For example Nailsea and Backwell would be tagged like this: naptan:AtcoCode: 9100NAILSEA In NaPTAN all railway stations codes start with 9100. http://data.gov.uk/dataset/nptdr The recently released National Public Transport Data Repository (NPTDR) uses NaPTAN codes to refer to bus stops and stations. Making it easy to match NPTDR data with railway stations in OSM would be a good thing. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN says the dataset is Crown copyright but we have special permission to load it into OSM as CC-BY-SA. Would that include adding the NaPTAN codes to railway stations? Would this bulk import have to be done by the NaPTAN user, or would it be okay for me to use my account to load the data? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NaPTAN -- Edward. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] SotM 2011 UK? Setting up a GB OSMF chapter?
On 24/10/2010 18:15, Gregory wrote: I hope the mapping passion isn't sliding away from the UK. Whether people can get around to organising a conference isn't necessarily related to whether they're still keen on mapping or not. Maybe the weather this summer was too good? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes
On 24 Oct 2010, at 21:41, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 24 October 2010 21:12, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: o...@... writes: We're importing the location of bus stops from NaPTAN, can we also load the NaPTAN codes for railway stations? National Rail seems to use a three-letter code for stations - does that have any relationship to this NaPTAN code? Nailsea and Backwell's is NLS, which does not appear in the Naptan code, 9100NAILSEA listed above. Wikipedia has all these codes, in article infoboxes. I would urge that they be added to OSM. I have been adding the three letter short code as the ref tag when I have been editing around stations. e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/9779990 I have also been adding that tag tfl_travelzone, in the hope that at some point there will be a map showing the travel map zone in a geographic layout. Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
