Re: [Talk-GB] National Library of Scotland maps

[Lester Caine]

Andy Robinson wrote:

http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/  I haven't checked but I'm guessing we
should be able to create TMS links for all of those that are useful.


The Scottish resource has been growing nicely over the last few years. I see a 
few more layers since I last scanned the list. I've commented in the past about 
the lack of a similar 'English' resource and it's a pity that the 
http://edina.ac.uk/ resources are not as easily accessed as the Scottish ones :(


Thanks for taking the time to improve links Andy!

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Re: [Talk-GB] National Library of Scotland maps

[Steve Chilton]

Andy

Thanks from me for working on this with Chris Fleet and co at NLS.
One point to check is out-of-copyrightness of the individual sheets as 
presumably that affects our ability to use.
As usual, just ask if you need any input from me.

Cheers
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Subject: [Talk-GB] National Library of Scotland maps

Folks,

As per earlier email from Bob Kerr, National Library of Scotland now has the
OS 1-inch 7th series online. It also has the whole of Scotland and part of
northern England north of Manchester available at 1:25,000 too (The
Provisional Edition/First Series). I've added the correct tms settings for
JOSM to the relevant pages of our wiki.

The two TMS values are:
For the 7th series use:
tms:http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/seventh/{zoom}/{x}/{-y}.png
For the 1:25,000 maps use:
tms:http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25000/{zoom}/{x}/{-y}.png

Note the "-y" value in the above, NLS is using the OSGeo tile numbering
rather than Google/OSM tile numbering format.

If you don't see imagery appearing it's probably because you are zoomed in
too much. The highest zoom level available appears to be 16 for the 1:25,000
and 15 for the 1-inch 7th series.

As far as I am aware NLS are keen to have us use these resources. Bob I know
has had some discussion and I have a call booked with the senior map curator
Chris Fleet for later in the week. I'll discuss some more with him and find
out to what extent we can make use and to what extent they still have more
to come online. Note also that there are other layers available, especially
for Scotland, check them out via the mosaic viewer at
http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/ I haven't checked but I'm guessing we
should be able to create TMS links for all of those that are useful.

Cheers
Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[Robert Whittaker (OSM)]

On 4 March 2012 12:42, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> Simon has very kindly provided this:
> http://odbl.poole.ch/uk_major_roads.txt

Excellent -- thanks to both of you for getting this done. Do you know
if/when that file will be updated as ways are re-mapped?

MarkS  wrote:
> motorway9
> motorway_link   44
> primary 1581
> primary_link68
> trunk   606
> trunk_link  131
>
> The list should ensure that the motorways and their links can be tracked down 
> and done.
> I'll try and work on these in the next few days.  It might also be possible 
> to save specific
> A-Roads by filtering the list (and using JOSM to download the specifc objects 
> that need
> remapping).
>
> Given the numbers for the other roads it seems unlikely that we'll have a 
> complete set of
> trunk roads come 1 April.

I think the trunk roads are doable too if enough people help out. It
would only take a dozen people to each do 3 segments per day, and we'd
have all the trunk roads and motorways covered by the end of the
month...

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[Richard Fairhurst]

Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote:
> Excellent -- thanks to both of you for getting this done. 

The credit belongs to Simon, not me! I believe that he is willing to
regenerate the list on occasion, but will wait to be contradicted if that's
not the case.

> I think the trunk roads are doable too if enough people help out.

Absolutely. I'm entirely sure we'll have 99.9% trunk road and motorway
coverage by changeover day, and that the 0.1% will be a result of not
spotting things rather than not having enough manpower.

I'd like to think we'll be most of the way there with the primary and
secondary roads, too. IME the main things that are likely to be lost are
housing estates done by one dedicated mapper who has declined or is
uncontactable, and isolated POIs such as phone boxes, post-boxes and pubs.
(But I've not looked at really densely-mapped areas such as London, and the
situation may be more serious there.)

cheers
Richard



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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[Tom Chance]

On 6 March 2012 15:48, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

> (But I've not looked at really densely-mapped areas such as London, and the
> situation may be more serious there.)
>

There are lots of patches of detail in London that are still at risk:
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13&lat=51.51807&lon=-0.1225&layers=00B%0D%0A

Also quite a lot of the tube system and various main roads in parts of
central London and inner West/North. These must be areas where no obsessive
OSM people live, we've cleaned up our own areas fairly comprehensively.

Some special effort on this would be good, what with the Golden Jubilee and
the London 2012 Games on the horizon.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[ael]

On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 07:48:50AM -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> I'd like to think we'll be most of the way there with the primary and
> secondary roads, too. 

There are a few fairly important road/lanes in Cornwall that will be
lost the last time I looked. I expect to be in the area soon, so might
be able to gps survey some of them if traces are missing. Time (and 
petrol - I am cautious about cycling on narrow lanes with high banks)
permitting.

ael

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[Talk-GB] Government summit on road data

[Barnett, Phillip]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/stories/dft-news-20120306/

Some interesting developments

““The summit will see a plan of action agreed to ensure motorists are given the 
best possible directions and help prevent huge lorries from being sent down 
narrow country lanes and through small villages.

“This is timely because from next month we are allowing local authorities to 
reclassify roads – ensuring A roads are placed where they want traffic to run 
and lowering the category of road in places they want traffic to avoid – rather 
than having to come to Whitehall for approval. These powers will help councils 
make sure that drivers are using suitable routes.”
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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[Derick Rethans]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Tom Chance wrote:

> On 6 March 2012 15:48, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> 
> > (But I've not looked at really densely-mapped areas such as London, and the
> > situation may be more serious there.)
> >
> 
> There are lots of patches of detail in London that are still at risk:
> http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13&lat=51.51807&lon=-0.1225&layers=00B%0D%0A

I've been making my way through 
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=14&lat=51.53425&lon=-0.19357&layers=00B0 
and slowly going southwards.

> Also quite a lot of the tube system and various main roads in parts of
> central London and inner West/North. These must be areas where no obsessive
> OSM people live, we've cleaned up our own areas fairly comprehensively.

Tube is next on my list after the stuff from the previous permalink.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[Donald Noble]

Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote:
> I think the trunk roads are doable too if enough people help out.

I am going to work my way through the A7* A8* and A9* roads in
Scotland, as I know most of them, and can fill in the blanks with
OSSV, bing or uploaded GPS traces.

I'm assuming that if the end nodes were both created by CT agreeing
members, then it is just a case of redrawing the way along the route,
picking up connecting road nodes along the way. If, perchance, a minor
road junction was added by a non CT agreeing contributor, then that
junction will be lost come 1st April — but it would have been anyway.
However, the main road network should be preserved.

Might take a few nights of armchair mapping, but the weather still isn't great…!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[MarkS]

There are lots of patches of detail in London that are still at risk:
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13&lat=51.51807&lon=-0.1225&layers=00B%0D%0A




My worry in Central London is the large number of traffic lights that 
appear when you zoom in.  Presumably these are junctions of two ways 
where the junction node will disppear and the ways will nolonger connect.


Whilst the traffic lights are easy to spot there must be many more 
junctions that don't have lights that will also break. I'm not sure 
these are easy to spot without zooming right in on OSMI.


Mark_S


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Re: [Talk-GB] Licence change - one month to go

[MarkS]

On 06/03/2012 14:31, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote:



Excellent -- thanks to both of you for getting this done. Do you know
if/when that file will be updated as ways are re-mapped?




I was playing around tonight with a combination of the Quick History 
Service and Overpass to requery the objects so I could update parts of 
the list for my own reference.


The script passes groups all the ways together and makes a single call 
to overpass then a single call to quick history.  This means I could 
probably get away with doing the whole list (although I'm not confident 
if the APIs should be used in this way).


If nobody raises an objection then I'll give this a go in a few days 
otherwise we can ask Simon.



The good news though is that I believe I've managed to save all the 
motorways on the list.  I've also done a lot of the motorway_link roads, 
although there are a couple of junctions (on the M1 I believe) where it 
looks like the junctions have been remodelled and neither bing or OS 
Street View appear to be up to date.








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