[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: Eventbrite, revised page

2012-05-21 Thread Andy Robinson


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Mackenzie [mailto:a.macken...@bethere.co.uk]
 Sent: 18 May 2012 18:41
 To: Stuart Harrison; Stuart Lester; Philip John; Pete Does Web Things; A J
 Robinson; Matt Williams; Rob Nickerson; mike; Adrian Short
 Subject: Eventbrite, revised page
 
 Hi all
 Eventbrite booking for the Mapping Workshop is open
 http://mapitude2012.eventbrite.co.uk/
 It would be useful if you could confirm by booking there. So far only
shows
 me, though some of you have confirmed to me.
 
 I have revised the event blog page http://take21.org/blog/?page_id=1463
 
 It now shows three tracks: for developers, user groups and beginners.
 Paul Bradshaw is going to come and has been collecting data about disabled
 access to olympic facilities, so there is a topical data journalism angle
which
 complements Alison Smith's work on disabled access. We might ask the OSM
 community to do some surveying for this.
 On the page it says 'awesome new thing', which looks made up, but it's
 something I saw yesterday at the geomob event at UCL. It's Taarifa
 http://www.taarifa.org/main I'm talking with the developers and they are
 hopeful one of them will be able to come and talk about it.
 
 Andrew



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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: Eventbrite, revised page

2012-05-21 Thread Andy Robinson


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Mackenzie [mailto:a.macken...@bethere.co.uk]
 Sent: 18 May 2012 18:41
 To: Stuart Harrison; Stuart Lester; Philip John; Pete Does Web Things; A J
 Robinson; Matt Williams; Rob Nickerson; mike; Adrian Short
 Subject: Eventbrite, revised page
 
 Hi all
 Eventbrite booking for the Mapping Workshop is open
 http://mapitude2012.eventbrite.co.uk/
 It would be useful if you could confirm by booking there. So far only
shows
 me, though some of you have confirmed to me.
 
 I have revised the event blog page http://take21.org/blog/?page_id=1463
 
 It now shows three tracks: for developers, user groups and beginners.
 Paul Bradshaw is going to come and has been collecting data about disabled
 access to olympic facilities, so there is a topical data journalism angle
which
 complements Alison Smith's work on disabled access. We might ask the OSM
 community to do some surveying for this.
 On the page it says 'awesome new thing', which looks made up, but it's
 something I saw yesterday at the geomob event at UCL. It's Taarifa
 http://www.taarifa.org/main I'm talking with the developers and they are
 hopeful one of them will be able to come and talk about it.
 
 Andrew




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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Coventry Meetup - Mapping 'cake' online

2012-05-21 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All,

Just a quick reminder about the next social (Coventry). If you have time to
map beforehand the 'cake' is now online. There are a few different areas
including buildings, retail, civic - All within the ring road. If you have
a desire to go further out then feel free to drop me a message with you
mapping interests as I might be able to point you in the direction of some
of the more interesting spots.

The *next social* of the Midlands OSM User Group will be on *Thursday, 7th
June, 2012, 8pm-ish to 10pm-ish*.
*Venue*: The Litten
Treehttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.405605lon=-1.512914zoom=18layers=M,
Warwick Row, Coventry

Cake:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coventry_2012_Cake

Regards,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] FW: Eventbrite, revised page

2012-05-21 Thread Andy Robinson


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Mackenzie [mailto:a.macken...@bethere.co.uk]
 Sent: 18 May 2012 18:41
 To: Stuart Harrison; Stuart Lester; Philip John; Pete Does Web Things; A J
 Robinson; Matt Williams; Rob Nickerson; mike; Adrian Short
 Subject: Eventbrite, revised page
 
 Hi all
 Eventbrite booking for the Mapping Workshop is open
 http://mapitude2012.eventbrite.co.uk/
 It would be useful if you could confirm by booking there. So far only
shows
 me, though some of you have confirmed to me.
 
 I have revised the event blog page http://take21.org/blog/?page_id=1463
 
 It now shows three tracks: for developers, user groups and beginners.
 Paul Bradshaw is going to come and has been collecting data about disabled
 access to olympic facilities, so there is a topical data journalism angle
which
 complements Alison Smith's work on disabled access. We might ask the OSM
 community to do some surveying for this.
 On the page it says 'awesome new thing', which looks made up, but it's
 something I saw yesterday at the geomob event at UCL. It's Taarifa
 http://www.taarifa.org/main I'm talking with the developers and they are
 hopeful one of them will be able to come and talk about it.
 
 Andrew




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Re: [Talk-GB] National Rail as a brand (was: Bulk railway station changes)

2012-05-21 Thread Borbus
On 21/05/12 16:37, AJ Ashton wrote:
 In the previous thread it was mentioned that many people don't
 commonly refer to any part of the system as 'National Rail', but it
 seems that is the official name for the double-arrow brand used on
 signage and maps.

I don't know if this was mentioned in the previous thread, but I'll just
add that the London Underground does, or at least used to, refer to it
as national rail.  It says international rail for St Pancras etc. too.
Maybe other TfL services do the same?

-- 
Borbus.

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[Talk-GB] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-21 Thread Rob Nickerson
As part of improving the wiki pages on UK tagging guidelines, I wanted to
add details about cycle lanes and cycle tracks. As seen in this mailing
list, I quickly got confused. I want to take this opportunity to share my
findings.


1. cycleway key.
I found the current cycleway key to be confusing. It attempts to allow the
mapper to tag cycle lanes (within the roadway/carriageway) and cycle tracks
(alongside, but not within the roadway). It is complicated by the fact that
there could be a LANE on either, or both sides of the road. Furthermore
there could be a cycle TRACK on either side of the road and these may be
one-way or two-way.

We use opposite to indicate that cycles can travel against the flow of
traffic on a one-way street, but on a two-way street you would use
cycleway:right=lane to signify that there is a cycle lane in the opposite
direction to how the road is drawn in OSM.


2. Left, Right, Forward, Backward.
I expect many people find these hard to understand. What if the cyclelane
is not on the far left/right but is between traffic lanes (e.g. for
straight on when you have a left turn lane for vehicles).


3. My thoughts
My current thinking (based on looking at example cycleways in the UK and
Netherlands), is that we should consider splitting out the 2 cases
(English: lanes and tracks; Dutch Fietsstrook and Fietspad). By
doing this we make have tags with clear purpose. For example:

3a - Cycle lanes (within the roadway/carriageway) / Fietsstrook.
In this case the direction matters. Exact lane position is not so critical
but can be tagged using the lanes tagging scheme if desired.

* For beginners:

cyclelane = forward
cyclelane = backward
cyclelane = both

* For more detail (e.g.)

cyclelane:forward = shared (to include the current sharrow value)
cyclelane:forward = share_busway
cyclelane:forward = advisory  (term used in the UK; fietssuggestiestrook
in Dutch)
cyclelane:forward = mandatory (a UK term meaning that other vehicles are
prohibited from using the lane)
cyclelane:forward = yes


3b - Cycle tracks (alongside and separate from the roadway) / Fietspad.
In this case it is the side of the road on which the track is that matters
most. Direction can be added for countries that have one-way cycle tracks.

* For beginners:

cycletrack = left
cycletrack = right
cycletrack = both

* For more detail (e.g.)
Mainly for the Netherlands which can have one-way cycletracks (can also be
foot=no if a pavement also exists, so this may need to be incorporated but
is not essential)

cycletrack:left = forward
cycletrack:left = backward
cycletrack:left = two-way

note how this would be easy for renderers to draw and add direction arrows.


4. Discussion.

I appreciate that this is a radical change from the current system. However
as adoption of the current system is still _relatively_ low (in terms of
renderers and routing software), IF we are to address this, then now is the
best time.

Regards,
RobJN

p.s. Personally I feel that cycle TRACKS would be much easier to map if
drawn as a separate highway=cycleway (despite any challenges the renderers
and routers currently have with this) - it just makes things a lot easier!!
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