Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 10/12/2012 08:18, Kevin Peat wrote: On Dec 10, 2012 1:25 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote No. We should be mapping physical objects... There are plenty of non-physical objects mapped in OSM As primary tags? Yes --- administrative boundaries, for example. __John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
On 11/12/2012 11:18, John Sturdy wrote: Yes --- administrative boundaries, for example. __John Fine, but that's kind of missing the point. That boundary is physical in that it does actually exist in statute books maps. The proposed autumn statement developments aren't (and probably won't be as they're more political dogma designed to appease the broad-sheets than actual go ahead, JCB mud clearing. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
From: Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com] wrote: Sent: 11 December 2012 12:16 Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM On 11/12/2012 11:18, John Sturdy wrote: Yes --- administrative boundaries, for example. __John Fine, but that's kind of missing the point. That boundary is physical in that it does actually exist in statute books maps. The proposed autumn statement developments aren't (and probably won't be as they're more political dogma designed to appease the broad-sheets than actual go ahead, JCB mud clearing. Er, I think some are a little more refined that that. See the status of play for the A11 Thetford project for instance: http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a11-fiveways-to-thetford-impr ovement/ Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
On 11/12/2012 12:29, Andy Robinson wrote: http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a11-fiveways-to-thetford-impr ovement/ Great. Then tag the fencing, access tracks construction site. They're physical. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
David Earl wrote: http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a11-fiveways-to-thetford-improvement/ Yes indeed, it's true, they have been clearing the trees through the forest alongside the existing road and levelling the ground. It's been closed overnight in sections to do this so I had to go a long way round when I went that way a few weeks ago. It's a pity that the roundabouts are not being bypassed :( Getting traffic up to the Thetford Bypass quicker is just going to increase the queues there? I seem to remember queueing that end every time I want over but it's been a couple of years since I last went. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] NaPTAN Bus Stops
Hi, I was considering trying to get all the NaPTAN bus stops around Glasgow into OSM as an armchair mapping task for the holidays if the weather is too bad to get out and do much surveying. I tried downloading the XML file from data.gov.uk, but when I opened[1] it the 500MB file was all on the second line, apart from the XML version tag on the first line. This meant I struggled to even look at the file to see if I could do anything useful with it. Therefore I was wondering if anyone has (or is able to produce) an extract for the area around Glasgow (or even for Scotland) preferably already in osm format that I could use. I was planning to manually upload the bus stops in chunks, merging with existing where available (a substantial number, but by no means all), and aligning with existing features/imagery. I should be able to get out and ground truth anything that looks dodgy at some point too. Any pointers much appreciated. regards, Donald [1] Using TextWrangler 4.0.2 on Mac OS 10.8.2 -- Donald Noble http://drnoble.co.uk - http://flickr.com/photos/drnoble ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN Bus Stops
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Donald Noble wrote: I tried downloading the XML file from data.gov.uk: The XML file is mentioned at: http://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan and it is available as a zip file at: http://www.dft.gov.uk/NaPTAN/snapshot/NaPTANxml.zip I think it gets regularly updated. but when I opened it the 500MB file was all on the second line, apart from the XML version tag on the first line. This meant I struggled to even look at the file to see if I could do anything useful with it. The file NaPTANxml.zip is about 31MB and, as you say, after unzipping it NaPTAN.xml is about 500MB. If you're using linux, you can format NaPTAN.xml using: xmllint --format NaPTAN.xml format.xml The file format.xml is about 750MB. I think xmllint is in the debian package called libxml2-utils. Therefore I was wondering if anyone has (or is able to produce) an extract for the area around Glasgow (or even for Scotland) preferably already in osm format that I could use. I haven't done that. However, in case it's of any use, I've put a zipped version of format.xml at: http://www.rowmaps.com/temporary/format.zip It's about 36MB. I regard this directory as a temporary space and so I will delete this file later. Regard it as having the same licence as the original file: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ To whet your appetite, here's an extract: StopPoint CreationDateTime=2003-08-27T00:00:00 ModificationDateTime=2012-07-02T14:24:40 Modification=new RevisionNumber=0 Status=active AtcoCode60901000/AtcoCode NaptanCode45238737/NaptanCode Descriptor CommonNameBalmore Square/CommonName LandmarkBalmore Square/Landmark StreetBalmore Road/Street Indicatorbefore/Indicator /Descriptor Place NptgLocalityRefN0076070/NptgLocalityRef TownGlasgow/Town LocalityCentre1/LocalityCentre Location Translation GridTypeUKOS/GridType Easting258877/Easting Northing668372/Northing Longitude-4.2579340692/Longitude Latitude55.8877326565/Latitude /Translation /Location /Place StopClassification StopTypeBCT/StopType OnStreet Bus BusStopTypeMKD/BusStopType TimingStatusOTH/TimingStatus MarkedPoint Bearing CompassPointNW/CompassPoint /Bearing /MarkedPoint /Bus /OnStreet /StopClassification StopAreas StopAreaRef CreationDateTime=2012-11-28T15:27:31 Modification=new Status=active609G04088/StopAreaRef /StopAreas AdministrativeAreaRef127/AdministrativeAreaRef PlusbusZones PlusbusZoneRef CreationDateTime=2010-10-07T14:27:15 ModificationDateTime=2010-10-07T14:27:15 Modification=new RevisionNumber=0 Status=activeGLGC/PlusbusZoneRef /PlusbusZones /StopPoint There's some explanation at: http://www.dft.gov.uk/naptan/schema/2.1/guide/naptan-070325.doc -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
This subject kind of came up when the HS2 route was announced and made available as open data. I didn't agree with that proposed route being added to Openstreetmap, because I didn't feel the likelihood of it happening was high enough. Below is my, slightly amended, views on 'proposed' routes *I've only added one 'proposed' route and that was in winter 2011. The route was South Devon Link Road [linkhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.4974985122681lon=-3.59270095825195zoom=14], which was proposed in the 1950's, but constantly been put to the back of the funding queue. Last summer as the likely hood of it happening started to increase I looked at the 'proposal' tag wiki page for the first time, and it wasn't much help. Looking at the 50 years of setbacks this route suffered I think it demonstrates a route must be likely certain to proceed before it's added to the map. For the UK I think this means three tests 1. The proposal has, at least, outline planning permission 2. The proposal has funding in place 3. The proposal is also likely certain to be acted on. (eg Not proposed for 10 years in the future when things could be different, or the funding could have disappeared) So for the South Devon Link Road, I added it this winter after (1) It had planning permission, (2) funding had been allocated and (3) the local authorities announced they're proceeding with the project next year. The HS2 had funding in place (although is reasonable to be cynical about spending allocated to future governments), and is likely to proceed, but it does not have planning permission for a very contentious route.* I consider the announed schemes to meet tests 2 3, but I guess some dont have any form of planning permission yet? Normally I'd suggest we wait until planning permission is approved (if necessary), but these road works are of national interest and unlikely to have to deal with significant planning issues. (just noticed my work on the South Devon Link Road and surrounding area has been deleted, then the same info re-added by someone else! I've been cleansed from the history.) Jason ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
