Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle routing over "uncycleable" BOATs

2012-12-20 Thread Brian Quinion
On 20 December 2012 23:36, SomeoneElse  wrote:

> (like the "Unfit for Motors" question, but for bicycles)
>
> I recently noticed that someone's changed the track between Stanage Pole
> and Redmires west of Sheffield to "bicycle=no".  It's been a few months
> since I was there (and the last time I was it was snowing horizontally) so
> I can't be sure but I suspect that this isn't correct - I think that it's a
> continuation of the BOAT that runs up Long Causeway.
>

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/92398784

Not sure it is the exact bit you are talking but I've cycled down this bit
and I'd never do it again.  'Gravel' it isn't, rather it is boulders and
sharp loose rocks with up to 2 foot drops.

I made it to the bottom still on the bike but I think it is the closest
I've ever come to dying on my bike.  Up would probably be impossible, down
is just stupid unless you are way better than I am.


> Is the best way to indicate "you're legally allowed to cycle here but
> would be an idiot to try"* to add an "mtb:scale" tag of > 0, or is there
> some other accepted (by mappers and routers) way of doing this?  I've
> previously added surface tags to the bits I've mapped around here but I
> wouldn't expect a router to understand random values in that.
>

Hard to judge from the photos and I don't have the experience but I'd say a
minimum of s3 maybe s4 due to the loose rocks on the bit I've linked.

--
 Brian
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[Talk-GB] Cycle routing over "uncycleable" BOATs

2012-12-20 Thread SomeoneElse

(like the "Unfit for Motors" question, but for bicycles)

I recently noticed that someone's changed the track between Stanage Pole 
and Redmires west of Sheffield to "bicycle=no".  It's been a few months 
since I was there (and the last time I was it was snowing horizontally) 
so I can't be sure but I suspect that this isn't correct - I think that 
it's a continuation of the BOAT that runs up Long Causeway.


Is the best way to indicate "you're legally allowed to cycle here but 
would be an idiot to try"* to add an "mtb:scale" tag of > 0, or is there 
some other accepted (by mappers and routers) way of doing this?  I've 
previously added surface tags to the bits I've mapped around here but I 
wouldn't expect a router to understand random values in that.


Although I've only ever walked it, I reckon that this bit:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/154595370/history
would qualify as "mtb:scale=1".

Cheers,
Andy

* in this particular example, I don't remember the flat bit into 
Redmires being _that_ bad - I'd need to go back and check.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Yorkshire Dales or Forest of Bowland - unmapped areas?

2012-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg

Thanks everyone for the suggestions here.

After some consideration I've decided to stay in Kettlewell, in Upper 
Wharfedale. This is accessible by bus from Skipton.
It looks semi-complete but that might just be Mike's aerial/OOC work.

I plan to be in the area from late Jan 1st to early afternoon Jan 4th... so 
would anyone be interested in doing some mapping on those days?
Can't make the weekend unfortunately due to other commitments.

Nick

-Michael Collinson  wrote: -
To: Nick Whitelegg 
From: Michael Collinson 
Date: 17/12/2012 01:52PM
Cc: "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Yorkshire Dales or Forest of Bowland - unmapped areas?

Well, the scenery around Malham and upper Wharfedale, Nidderdale, Swaledale is 
simply the best in the world ... Though I do admit to a slight bias. The beer 
int half bad neether.

I have very extensively mapped and cross-referenced  Wharfedale+ paths and 
tracks from Npe, os25k and Bing but the area is crying out for extensive ground 
truthing, in particular adding modern official designations (hallo Freemap!) 
Perhaps only 20 - 40% is done? I only get to do one or two walks per year.

Mike

On 17 Dec 2012, at 14:31, Nick Whitelegg  wrote:


Hi,

Am thinking of getting away for 2 or 3 days early in the new year (1st-4th Jan) 
to somewhere hilly in the north of England within easy reach (by train/bus) of 
the Manchester area I haven't been to very often before, which would mean the 
Dales or the Forest of Bowland. Anyone from that area familiar with any areas 
which have good scenery and haven't had much in the way of footpath mapping?

Looking round the area on OSM it seems fairly well covered but then I don't 
know it too well.

If I decide on somewhere likely I can always organise a mapping party.

Thanks,
Nick

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