Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
Neil Pilgrim wrote: I've used fhrs to add some data and wondered about this, though in Scotland they didn't seem to have a rating. My understanding is that in Scotland is it Pass / Fail, rather than stars. Phil. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
On 19 Oct 2013 15:15, "Andy Street" wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:02:01 +0100 > "Dave F." wrote: > > > Importing much of another database seems a bit pointless to me when > > much of the data can change. I feel just a reference back to it is > > suffice. > > +1 +1 > A quick look at taginfo suggests that "fhrs:id" would be an appropriate > way to tag this: > > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/fhrs%3Aid I'm pretty new to what to do with 'designing' new tags, but that isn't many existing ones really (is it?), and isn't ref more in line with existing usage? ie fhrs:ref ? or is id in common use in other cases? > > Whether it should be a full URL, or just FHRSID=516821, I'm not sure > > about. Which would be better for web page design/rendering? > > I'd opt for just the id rather than a URL. Database primary keys > are generally changed infrequently and the URL may well change if the > FSA decide to redesign their website. +1 -- Neil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
There is no point in storing the rating score: it changes and there are plenty of other places where this can be found (I think the FHRS have an android app themselves. The primary use is to add address data. A secondary use is to spot places which are no longer in business. In general do not add unmapped FHRS nodes unless you have other information which indicates the place is open (even an inspection 2 months ago may be a place which has closed). I've added a couple recently based on news reports. I would suggest that using something like fhrs_ref is best. I sometimes link the url as a source (source:website=) but this is merely to assist others in verifying the data. FHRS data varies a lot in quality between local authorities. Powys seem to use very non-standard addresses, and Rotherham don't seem to be bothered with post codes. Windsor & Maidenhead has the most useful descriptions, particularly for canteens (Compass Catering at Sainsbury's). There is scope to get your local authority to improve consistency of data collection. The lead time for new establishments to appear on FHRS seems rather long. A new takeaway opened in June and still does not appear in the extracts. I know some businesses who wait for the FHRS inspection before starting to trade, but don't know what the general picture is. Lots of places dont seem to be covered, including the place in Kenton mentioned on this list a couple of months ago (I queried both Harrow & Brent about it). I hope in the near future to be able to provide: - Regular diffs of FHRS data. - Full CSV version of current data. - Archive copies of the xml. - Slippy map tiles with geolocated FHRS data shown based on the postcode centroid (so no Rotherham data) I'm just working to tidy up my shell script which does the first two, and Chris Fleming has offered to host the script (I don't have a linux environment, let alone one running 24/7), so that we have a reasonable run of changes starting from 1st October. I had grandiose ideas of aligning the FHRS nodes by house number in the right direction along the road, but until I work through a host of interesting issues, will just have to make do with a less sophisticated version. The full UK FHRS XML data zipped is around 80M (350 files, 400Mb, my CSV extract (13 columns, 440k) is also around 80Mb (16.5Mb zipped). Daily diffs are about 150kb (~ rows). I plan to push the data in to Postgres & create a temporalised table for the data, preferably with change detection on a by column basis. I have encountered some encoding issues with some data from Northern Ireland (they seem to 1\2 to mean housenumber 1 to 2 inclusive). A more challenging project is to work on conflation of FHRS data with OSM data. Names and addresses are rarely perfect matches with OSM. Geolocation of the FHRS data is only to postcode centroid. I believe we need to be able to integrate some likelihood estimate of match based on the following independent criteria: - Type of POI bearing in mind that things like pubs might be mapped as restaurants and vice versa. - Establishment Name. Individual elements of the name probably should be treated as tokens for matching (so we match Sycamore Primary School to Sycamore Academy; The Rose & Crown Inn with Rose and Crown). - Address. Clearly Nominatim can do much of this, but if the address needs to be parsed then complications ensure. - Postcode. There are errors in postcodes, usually single letter transpositions. Certain postcodes may have the postcode centroid a long way from the POI, but in most cases they will be within 100m. - It is to be hoped that the Local Authority is unambiguous! Anyone interested in taking this latter aspect further? Regards, Jerry On 19 October 2013 14:22, Neil Pilgrim wrote: > I've used fhrs to add some data and wondered about this, though in > Scotland they didn't seem to have a rating. I wondered if the fhrs ref was > unique so we could use eg fhrs_ref=[number]. I wasn't sure which key in the > xml to use at first glance, but hadn't really looked in detail. I've used > source:addr=fhrs or fhrs in plain source tag too. > > thanks to sk53 for pointing out this source of information, it looks > really promising :) > > Neil > > On 19 Oct 2013 14:01, "Dave F." wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I wanted to add url links for UK Food Hygiene Rating System to > restaurants & cafes etc. Such as: > > > > http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/516821 > > > > There's an OSM wiki page but that's just information about the database. > > There's also a few tags of fhrs:hygiene but these give values (eg 1-5) > which can change as hygiene inspections are always ongoing. > > > > How's best to go about this? Is there a tag already in use that I can't > find? > > > > Dave F. > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > _
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:02:01 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > Importing much of another database seems a bit pointless to me when > much of the data can change. I feel just a reference back to it is > suffice. +1 A quick look at taginfo suggests that "fhrs:id" would be an appropriate way to tag this: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/fhrs%3Aid > Whether it should be a full URL, or just FHRSID=516821, I'm not sure > about. Which would be better for web page design/rendering? I'd opt for just the id rather than a URL. Database primary keys are generally changed infrequently and the URL may well change if the FSA decide to redesign their website. -- Regards, Andy Street ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
On 19/10/2013 14:22, Neil Pilgrim wrote: I've used fhrs to add some data and wondered about this, though in Scotland they didn't seem to have a rating. I wondered if the fhrs ref was unique so we could use eg fhrs_ref=[number]. I'm assuming the id is unique & set as they offer code to display the ratings icon on websites: src="http://widget.ratings.food.gov.uk/fhrswidget.jss?FHRSID=516821&Culture=en-GB";>Importing much of another database seems a bit pointless to me when much of the data can change. I feel just a reference back to it is suffice. Whether it should be a full URL, or just FHRSID=516821, I'm not sure about. Which would be better for web page design/rendering? Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
I've used fhrs to add some data and wondered about this, though in Scotland they didn't seem to have a rating. I wondered if the fhrs ref was unique so we could use eg fhrs_ref=[number]. I wasn't sure which key in the xml to use at first glance, but hadn't really looked in detail. I've used source:addr=fhrs or fhrs in plain source tag too. thanks to sk53 for pointing out this source of information, it looks really promising :) Neil On 19 Oct 2013 14:01, "Dave F." wrote: > > Hi > > I wanted to add url links for UK Food Hygiene Rating System to restaurants & cafes etc. Such as: > > http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/516821 > > There's an OSM wiki page but that's just information about the database. > There's also a few tags of fhrs:hygiene but these give values (eg 1-5) which can change as hygiene inspections are always ongoing. > > How's best to go about this? Is there a tag already in use that I can't find? > > Dave F. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] UK Food Hygiene Rating System
Hi I wanted to add url links for UK Food Hygiene Rating System to restaurants & cafes etc. Such as: http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/516821 There's an OSM wiki page but that's just information about the database. There's also a few tags of fhrs:hygiene but these give values (eg 1-5) which can change as hygiene inspections are always ongoing. How's best to go about this? Is there a tag already in use that I can't find? Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Impact of OS
I'm not aware of any study on this aspect but it's clear that each time there is a major new source of open data that those who contribute a lot get spurned on to contribute more (that is spend more time mapping). That's certainly the impact in my case. The OS data hasn't been a particularly big influence for me, BING imagery and ONS postcode data are probably the two biggest single useful sources that have spurred me on and I have no doubt that the availability of BING imagery is the single most important change for the project. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Abhishek [mailto:abhishek.naga...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 October 2013 04:58 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Impact of OS Is there a study out there of the impact that the OS release made on OSM? Something like, an analysis of change in coverage by county would be great. I would also be interested in seeing similar studies for other major changes / improvements caused by external sources (I'm thinking imagery updates, out-of-copyright maps) etc. Abhishek http://abhishek.mit.edu ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6762 - Release Date: 10/18/13 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
