Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 02/10/14 09:30, Ed Loach wrote: It has been over a year now since I first mentioned http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, so I thought I'd mention it again. The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. In my view, high street churn is so high that if you don't re-survey at least every two to three months there will be a lot more wrong than just the name of one bank. I'd suggest that the median time to repair for a high street feature is similar to the average time to first mapping, i.e. somewhat over five years. That is especially true if the repair doesn't happen within the first couple of months, i.e. no-one has taken on maintenance responsibility. Also people will map and maintain a local high street, then move to a different area. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
Use of the Notes feature is good for this sort of thing. If someone flags a known change, even if it's just one unit in a retail centre, it’s a good prompt for a local mapper to going around and update all the unit changes. I agree with you that retail change is rapid and even 2 to 3 months is sometimes too long to catch substantial changes. I've got shops in the centre of Sutton Coldfield that have change use 3 time in the last few years. Post offices are one aspect that is still changing regularly with many offices closing and moving inside convenience stores, supermarkets and other retail units. This week I've had to move the Sutton Coldfield postoffice and its internal post box from its original home a few doors down to WH Smith. Just google "post office relocation" and similar and you will see the extent of the changes PO countrywide. This is the list of those that have already or are due to move to a local WH Smiths: Boston, Cannock, Carmarthen, Hastings, Kidderminster, Kings Heath, Perth, Southport, Stockton on Tees, Sutton Coldfield, Swiss Cottage, Telford, Uckfield, Wallington, West Wickham, Witney Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] Sent: 03 October 2014 09:41 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB On 02/10/14 09:30, Ed Loach wrote: > It has been over a year now since I first mentioned > > http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ > > here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, > so I thought I'd mention it again. > The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. In my view, high street churn is so high that if you don't re-survey at least every two to three months there will be a lot more wrong than just the name of one bank. I'd suggest that the median time to repair for a high street feature is similar to the average time to first mapping, i.e. somewhat over five years. That is especially true if the repair doesn't happen within the first couple of months, i.e. no-one has taken on maintenance responsibility. Also people will map and maintain a local high street, then move to a different area. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 03/10/14 12:29, Andy Robinson wrote: Use of the Notes feature is good for this sort of thing. Notes can also create maintenance problems as businesses requesting vanity entries never generate a note when they go away. Not mapping such notes results in the map getting cluttered with such notes. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 03/10/2014 09:40, David Woolley wrote: On 02/10/14 09:30, Ed Loach wrote: It has been over a year now since I first mentioned http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/LloydsTSB/ here, and there are still lots of branches that haven't been remapped, so I thought I'd mention it again. The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. In my view, high street churn is so high that if you don't re-survey at least every two to three months there will be a lot more wrong than just the name of one bank. That sounds about right to me - there's probably something that changes in that sort of timescale. I'd suggest that the median time to repair for a high street feature is similar to the average time to first mapping, i.e. somewhat over five years. That is especially true if the repair doesn't happen within the first couple of months, i.e. no-one has taken on maintenance responsibility. This might be useful for measuring that: http://unexpired.osm24.eu/#18/53.09788/-1.38740 (if you don't mind the adverts, that is). Not sure where I saw it - probably on a mailing list somewhere, so apologies if it's old news. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Updates from National Library of Scotlad
Hi All, NLS have been a keen contributor to OpenStreetMap and continue to provide historic maps for use in both OpenStreetMap and OpenHistoricMap. Their most recent updates include 1:1,250 scale covering central London and Edinburgh (1940s-60s) which include house numbers, and 1:10,560 maps for England & Wales (1888 to 1913). Although these maps are all historic they are still of significant benefit to OpenStreetMap especially in regards to public rights of way mapping (with survey), names of hills, streams, etc, and checking the house numbers that you have collected via survey. I've copied a recent email from Chris at NLS below. Regards Rob p.s. If you find these maps useful, please tell me how you're using them so I can feed this back to Chris at the NLS. --- We’ve put several thousand more maps online in the last few months – most notably of interest for the OSM community an ongoing project to scan and georeference 1940s-1960s large-scale Ordnance Survey maps of Great Britain. Our initial pilot projects have been of Edinburgh and London at 1:1,250 scale – there are sheets and georeferenced layers available at: http://maps.nls.uk/os/national-grid/index.html However, we have definite plans to move on and georeference the greater London area, moving on afterwards to the south-east of England in the next few months. In Edinburgh, we have been collaborating with Eric Grosso and other OSM folk. Eric is using our 1950s Edinburgh layer as a way of creating a set of OSM historical layers for Edinburgh as part of the MESH project: http://www.mesh.ed.ac.uk/ This is a different approach from the NYPL vectoriser, but with a similar aim – essentially using good modern OSM content as a base for working back in time with good georeferenced historical mapping. In August we also put online a layer of Ordnance Survey six-inch (1:10,560) georeferenced mapping for England and Wales for a century ago http://maps.nls.uk/os/6inch-england-and-wales/index.html As you know, we are always keen for our layers to be used by the OSM community – I’ve added all these new layers and tile addresses to the OSM wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland As always too, if you think any of these new georeferenced layers would be of interest to others in the OSM community, I’d be very grateful if you could pass details on. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Lloyds TSB
On 03/10/2014 09:40, David Woolley wrote: The basic problem you have is that there are a lot more people interested in first time mapping of high streets than there are those interested in maintaining them. I agree about the rapid turnover of high streets, but in this case I think it's due to so few people using them. Most activity is now performed online. The only time I've gone into a bank in the last few was to criticise someone face to face. DaveF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Vandalism in London
Suddenly I came back to the map just to find that my new bus relations are damaged by some vandal. I’m not rebuilding it. I give up. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London
I sympathise Antje, I'm frustrated by vandals in my area (who really should know better, given the length of time they've been active). Post the links for your edits so we can have a look. Cheers Dave F. On 04/10/2014 01:22, Antje (OpenStreetMap) wrote: Suddenly I came back to the map just to find that my new bus relations are damaged by some vandal. I’m not rebuilding it. I give up. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London
Here is the list of London bus routes for starters: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_London The ones that I dramatically improved are the new-style route_master relations, which are: 3, 4, 8-11, 18, 19, 21, 24, 30, 38, 43, 49, 57, 73, 76, 100, 144, 148, 192, 205, 277, 341, 390, 393, 394, 476. I was going to do 453 because of the Borismaster, but I am doubtful. I’m well known for extremely strict standards in bus routes because I just want nothing but the best on OSM: If you open the route 30 relations (unaffected by the incidents), you can see the effort I put into making the routing perfect, from the stops to the directions and even the operators. Given the military-precision effort, I don’t have the perseverance like most of you do because I now have university to attend to. Even the Inner ring road is damaged (3124618). Maybe we need a second “bus route czar”. Antje.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
