Re: [Talk-GB] HampshireCC aerial imagery and height data

[Matt Williams]

On 24 March 2015 at 22:21, Christopher Baines  wrote:
> On 09/05/14 10:15, Andy Robinson wrote:
>> The following TMS formats work for me:
>>
>> RGB:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-rgb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>> False Colour IR:-
>> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-fcir/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>> Height:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-height/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>
> Can anyone point me to a working server for these tiles?

According to http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Platform_Status, faffy is down
and looks like it has been for some time. Does anyone know of an
update to this?

Matt

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Re: [Talk-GB] HampshireCC aerial imagery and height data

[Jones, Luke (KEU.FXT)]

I believe faffy has been down since July last year.

As far as I can tell the last update sent to this list was the following:

> The server hosting is offline due to a combination of hardware failure
> and power limit to the server rack. The latter being more difficult to
> solve.
>
> In the next few weeks hope to have it resolved.

Archive link: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-November/016767.html

Regards,
Luke

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On 24 March 2015 at 22:21, Christopher Baines  wrote:
> On 09/05/14 10:15, Andy Robinson wrote:
>> The following TMS formats work for me:
>>
>> RGB:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-rgb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>> False Colour IR:-
>> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-fcir/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>> Height:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-height/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>
> Can anyone point me to a working server for these tiles?

According to http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Platform_Status, faffy is down
and looks like it has been for some time. Does anyone know of an
update to this?

Matt

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Re: [Talk-GB] HampshireCC aerial imagery and height data

[SK53]

I think it's safe to say that faffy is no more

.

As this server was the repository of OSM out-of-copyright imagery as well
as the Hampshire aerials (& I suspect Surrey) it may be sensible to also
remove these as imagery sources in editors.

It may also be the right time to raise the issue of a group supporting a UK
(or GB) specific server, for specific rendering & other tiled imagery.

Jerry

On 25 March 2015 at 09:16, Matt Williams  wrote:

> On 24 March 2015 at 22:21, Christopher Baines  wrote:
> > On 09/05/14 10:15, Andy Robinson wrote:
> >> The following TMS formats work for me:
> >>
> >> RGB:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-rgb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
> >>
> >> False Colour IR:-
> >> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-fcir/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
> >>
> >> Height:-
> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-height/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
> >
> > Can anyone point me to a working server for these tiles?
>
> According to http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Platform_Status, faffy is down
> and looks like it has been for some time. Does anyone know of an
> update to this?
>
> Matt
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Re: [Talk-GB] HampshireCC aerial imagery and height data

[Jo Walsh]

We have had a Scottish server for some time, you know.

We have plans and dreams for the Scottish server, mostly, plus a broken
Rails prototype, and a lovely animated GIF of a massive saltire.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015, at 10:33 AM, SK53 wrote:
> I think it's safe to say that faffy is no more[1].
>
> As this server was the repository of OSM out-of-copyright imagery as
> well as the Hampshire aerials (& I suspect Surrey) it may be sensible
> to also remove these as imagery sources in editors.
>
> It may also be the right time to raise the issue of a group supporting
> a UK (or GB) specific server, for specific rendering & other tiled
> imagery.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 25 March 2015 at 09:16, Matt Williams  wrote:
>> On 24 March 2015 at 22:21, Christopher Baines
>>  wrote:
>>
> On 09/05/14 10:15, Andy Robinson wrote:
>>
>> The following TMS formats work for me:
>>
>>
>>
>> RGB:- http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-rgb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> False Colour IR:-
>>
>> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-fcir/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Height:-
>> http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/hampshire-height/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
>>
>
>>
> Can anyone point me to a working server for these tiles?
>>
>>
According to http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Platform_Status, faffy is down
>>
and looks like it has been for some time. Does anyone know of an
>>
update to this?
>>
>>
Matt
>>
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[Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Chris Hill]

I've just updated the postcode overlays for GB to the latest available 
(Feb 2015) data from both ONS and Codepoint Open.


You can find more information for the ONS overlay here: 
http://onspd.raggedred.net/ and the Codepoint Open overlay here: 
http://codepoint.raggedred.net/


AFAIK the two datasets I display are the same, though the ONS data does 
include Northern Ireland postcodes (BT) but I exclude these as the 
licence for them is not acceptable for OSM.


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Mick Orridge]

On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions from 
the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which 
can be downloaded as shp files here:-


http://www.gismosoftware.co.uk/postcode-data.php

They are free to download and use under the ODbL license.

The generation method is detailed here:-

http://www.gismosoftware.co.uk/generation-method.php

Please don't add these to the OSM database as they are not real objects, 
and are only an approximation.


I guess they could be made available as overlays in the same way as the 
postcode points, I'll investigate when I get a few spare minutes!


They could also be used to check for incorrect postcodes held in the OSM 
database e.g. an NE postcode found in the NG postcode area would almost 
certainly be incorrect but care would be need near the polygon edges as 
a DE postcode just within the NG area may well be correct due to the 
generation method.


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On 25/03/15 15:14, Chris Hill wrote:
I've just updated the postcode overlays for GB to the latest available 
(Feb 2015) data from both ONS and Codepoint Open.


You can find more information for the ONS overlay here: 
http://onspd.raggedred.net/ and the Codepoint Open overlay here: 
http://codepoint.raggedred.net/


AFAIK the two datasets I display are the same, though the ONS data 
does include Northern Ireland postcodes (BT) but I exclude these as 
the licence for them is not acceptable for OSM.





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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Steve Doerr]

Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?

Steve

On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions from 
the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which 
can be downloaded as shp files here:-



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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Paul Sladen]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2015, Steve Doerr wrote:
> On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
> > the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which 
^^^
> Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?

Royal Mail != Office for National Statistics.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Mick Orridge]

Here's the ONS licence page:-

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/beginner-s-guide/licences/index.html

As I understand it these data are release under the Open Government 
Licence which means we may re-use this information (not including logos 
or Northern Ireland data) free of charge in any format or medium, under 
the terms of the relevant data owners' licence. We do need to credit the 
copyright holders (Royal Mail, National Statistics, Ordnance Survey, 
etc). This is not legal advice (IANAL).


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On 25/03/15 17:55, Steve Doerr wrote:

Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?

Steve

On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions 
from the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors 
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 17:55, Steve Doerr  wrote:

> Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?
>
> Steve
>
> On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
>
>> On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions from
>> the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which can
>> be downloaded as shp files here:-
>>
>
>
>
What do we want them for anyway? OSM seems to collect junk. Post box ref
numbers and collection times are prime examples.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Dan S]

2015-03-25 18:20 GMT+00:00 Pmailkeey . :
>
>
> On 25 March 2015 at 17:55, Steve Doerr  wrote:
>>
>> Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
>>>
>>> On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions from
>>> the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which can be
>>> downloaded as shp files here:-
>>
>
> What do we want them for anyway? OSM seems to collect junk. Post box ref
> numbers and collection times are prime examples.

That's a bit rude.

Postcodes are very valuable for routing - people outside OSM use them
very heavily for that. Postcodes are not even a minority concern.

Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Chris Hill]

On 25/03/15 17:55, Steve Doerr wrote:

Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?

Steve
The data are based on data that RM owns, but RM has chosen to release 
these data under the Open Government Licence (OGL), both via ONS and OS 
Codepoint Open. OGL is compatible with OSM.


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Antje (OpenStreetMap)]

Hi,

As long as you document the evidence of OGL'ness on the wiki, it'll be fine.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Pmailkeey .]

On 25 March 2015 at 18:25, Dan S  wrote:

> 2015-03-25 18:20 GMT+00:00 Pmailkeey . :
> >
> >
> > On 25 March 2015 at 17:55, Steve Doerr  wrote:
> >>
> >> Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate regions from
> >>> the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and sectors which
> can be
> >>> downloaded as shp files here:-
> >>
> >
> > What do we want them for anyway? OSM seems to collect junk. Post box ref
> > numbers and collection times are prime examples.
>
> That's a bit rude.
>
> Postcodes are very valuable for routing - people outside OSM use them
> very heavily for that. Postcodes are not even a minority concern.
>
> Dan
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What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about collection
times ? The nearest post box is useful info.

I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are
only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and
abbreviating locations inaccurately.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Colin Spiller]

?
Postcodes are GREAT for routing. It's far quicker to type the postcode 
as destination than a long address. If it takes me to the correct street 
I can usually find the building by myself, if I haven't entered the 
house number. Postcodes every time.


Colin

On 25/03/15 21:22, Pmailkeey . wrote:



On 25 March 2015 at 18:25, Dan S > wrote:


2015-03-25 18:20 GMT+00:00 Pmailkeey . mailto:pmailk...@googlemail.com>>:
>
>
> On 25 March 2015 at 17:55, Steve Doerr mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these
datasets?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On 25/03/2015 17:43, Mick Orridge wrote:
>>>
>>> On the subject of postcodes, I have generated approximate
regions from
>>> the ONS postcode data for postcode areas, districts and
sectors which can be
>>> downloaded as shp files here:-
>>
>
> What do we want them for anyway? OSM seems to collect junk. Post
box ref
> numbers and collection times are prime examples.

That's a bit rude.

Postcodes are very valuable for routing - people outside OSM use them
very heavily for that. Postcodes are not even a minority concern.

Dan

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What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about 
collection times ? The nearest post box is useful info.


I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess 
are only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery 
rounds and abbreviating locations inaccurately.


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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Colin Smale]

 

On 2015-03-25 22:22, Pmailkeey . wrote: 

> What use are post box ref numbers ? Who is really bothered about collection 
> times ? The nearest post box is useful info. 
> 
> I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess are 
> only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery rounds and 
> abbreviating locations inaccurately.

Personally I can't see the point in camp sites. Nobody I know goes
camping so what's the point of having them in OSM. 
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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Carles Pina i Estany]

Hi,

On Mar/25/2015, Pmailkeey . wrote:
> On 25 March 2015 at 18:25, Dan S  wrote:
>
> > 2015-03-25 18:20 GMT+00:00 Pmailkeey . :

> > Postcodes are very valuable for routing - people outside OSM use
> > them
> > very heavily for that. Postcodes are not even a minority concern.

[...]

> I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing. Postcodes, I guess
> are
> only of use to Royal Mail for the purpose of organising delivery
> rounds and
> abbreviating locations inaccurately.

I do use them, when I usee Google Maps - when I want an approximate
route it's the quickest way to pin down place.

In the UK (at least in London) a postcode is a very small zone so it's
very useful. In other countries a postcode is too big to be useful.

Not to mention that there are streets with the same name or almost the
same name so the postcode serves to double check that the street is the
wanted one.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Steve Doerr]

On 25/03/2015 21:22, Pmailkeey . wrote:


I can't imagine anyone using postcodes for routing.


Seriously? Try googling "satnav ref".

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Steve Doerr]

On 25/03/2015 18:40, Chris Hill wrote:

On 25/03/15 17:55, Steve Doerr wrote:

Surely the Royal Mail copyright precludes us from using these datasets?

Steve
The data are based on data that RM owns, but RM has chosen to release 
these data under the Open Government Licence (OGL), both via ONS and 
OS Codepoint Open. OGL is compatible with OSM.



How do you know?

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB postcodes

[Lester Caine]

On 25/03/15 22:13, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:
> In the UK (at least in London) a postcode is a very small zone so it's
> very useful. 
And it's not uncommon for web sites to list a 'postcode for satnav'
rather than the actual postal address one ;)

> In other countries a postcode is too big to be useful.
It would be interesting to know which other countries use postcodes for
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