Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly task

[Rob Nickerson]

Water sounds good.

There are 15,825 ways tagged source=NPE + waterway=* and an additional
23,146 with lowercase npe. So plenty based originally on old data that can
be improved upon.

I will set up a tag script in the next few days to track progress of
source=NPE/npe + waterway=*. Any other things that we should track via
TagInfo?

Regards,
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[David Woolley]

On 03/01/17 19:15, Dave F wrote:


Indeed.
A business needs something to sell before you can go scouting for
customers.


Actually, it only needs a vague concept.  Some technology businesses 
don't actually develop the product until they already have a customer 
for it!  (That's not even new; I learned it from a company I worked for 
about 25 years ago.)


Not sure how that generalises to OSM UK!

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[Richard Fairhurst]

Rob Nickerson wrote:
> If anyone is holding off from doing something just because the OSM UK 
> company is "coming", please don't. For one, you can make a great start 
> before OSM UK, but also there is no guarantee that OSM UK will work 
> on your specific idea.

The main issue is that there are a few things - not many, but a few - where
a formally constituted organisation is required. Lobbying is the main one -
I'm quite capable of writing rants in a truly do-ocratic fashion, but for a
Government consultation response, OSM-UK's voice will count for more than
that of J Random Nutcase, Charlbury. And, as you say, there will also be
cases where it's a matter of connecting people: for example, OSM-UK could
solve the map-in-UK-colours issue in a month by putting up a Kickstarter to
fund someone to develop it (openly-licensed, obviously), and with
crowdfunding there's nothing lost if it doesn't get funded.

Do you have an estimated date for when OSM-UK will be able to embark on its
first doing-something?

cheers
Richard



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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Richard,

The delay has been long to date (over a year I believe), but things should
move much quicker now. We could get something in for late February/March if
we act quickly.

As an aside, doing something tangible doesn't rely on the OSM UK company.
As noted it has taken over a year to get to that point, despite that we
(all those in the UK) have:

   - Ran quarterly projects on Schools, Healthcare, Farms and FHRS.
   - Seen the development of a number of tools to support these projects.
   - Mapped up and down the country.
   - Welcomed hundreds of new contributors.
   - Developed new styles and a static API (http://thunderforest.com)
   - Improved routing engines (http://cycle.travel/)
   - Produced maps for festivals (
   http://chris-osm.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/a-map-in-app.html)
   - Shared our stories via blogs (http://sk53-osm.blogspot.co.uk/ ,
   http://www.mappa-mercia.org/, http://blogs.openstreetmap.org/ and more)
   - Built on our relationship with Government and other organisations
   (e.g. http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/07/busy-days.html)
   - Attended global SotM and GIS events.
   - Continued to run numerous local mapping and meet-up events

And much more, including the amazing work many UK based folk do for the
global project, keeping the servers running, the blog active, and managing
data issues.

I'm aware of the "do-ocracy" but as above, I don't think OSM UK is needed
for these people (like yourself) who can take an idea and run with it. I'm
sure there are some great ideas out there from people who'd need support to
get them into reality. The OSM UK company can help to pair people with
ideas to people with the right skills to execute them.

If anyone is holding off from doing something just because the OSM UK
company is "coming", please don't. For one, you can make a great start
before OSM UK, but also there is no guarantee that OSM UK will work on your
specific idea.


*Rob*
p.s. Sorry for missing loads of great OSM contributions over the last year.
I should keep a record of these from now on!!
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[Richard Fairhurst]

Rob Nickerson wrote:
> No, the first steps are to get people signed up as members (more 
> shortly when I have had a chance to speak with Gregory) and then 
> to host a first meeting.

I see your point and it's great that so much work has gone into pre-thinking
the incorporation and such like... but I'm with Steve on this one: it would
be good to actually get something tangible happening. Whether that's a
slippy map or a lobbying group or PR or a crowdfunded satellite or a statue
of Steve Coast/Andy Robinson/Steve Chilton in Trafalgar Square is not really
the issue. There's a lot of enthusiasm for OSM in the UK - let's capitalise
on it sooner rather than later.

> The intention is that we can discuss ideas of what to do at that
> meeting. I'm sure that there will be a wide range of ideas, many of which
> wouldn't have even crossed my mind at all.

Traditionally OSM works by empowering those with great ideas to act on those
great ideas, rather than by holding a long series of meetings to pre-plan
everything. Otherwise you end up with "50 people voted that we should do
!". "Great, which of them is actually doing it?" "Er..."

But you know all this. :) And well done for getting the paperwork sorted.

cheers
Richard




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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

On 2 January 2017 at 12:26, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> It's this Thursday Jan 5th, usual time and place


Plan to be there


Ian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January meeting

[Eike Ritter]

> It's this Thursday Jan 5th, usual time and place
> 
I should be there as well.

Eike




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