Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
>On what basis is 'highway_authority_ref' being put forward since I don't think the councils who allocate the references for C and U roads are actually the 'highway_authority' Hi Lester, I expect the basis is the Highways Act 1980 which defines them as "Local Highways Authorities". I'm not sure if these align with Local Authorities. It looks like they do outside of London, but I get confused by how London is run. In summary: - Outside Greater London it is the "council of the County" - The Greater London Council for all metropolitan roads - The council of a London Borough, or a Common Council for all councils in the borough or the City which are not metropolitan roads And apparently metropolitan roads are all those that existed, or where in planning, and were captured by the definition in the Transport (London) Act 1969. Oh and, they are the authority of all highways whether or not they are maintained at public expense! So I assume that this made GLC the authority of all highways previously defined (maybe just those maintained at public expense) and the London Borough for all new ones (although I guess they passed control to GLC) and any that GLC hadn't picked up (maybe the ones not maintained by public expense). But to summarise: Highways Authority is not a term reserved for the national Highway Authorities. Local ones can use this term too. *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Shropshire Wildlife Trust
Hi Phil You might have noticed some editing from me in Shrewsbury- that arises from a very productive meeting I had with Robin Mager of the SWT. The upshot is that he will investigate giving us access under an open licence of the drone imagery they're assembling of their reserves. He's also keen to get some more nature reserve detail into OSM and he'll look at piloting a mapping event in a reserve that has an active friends group and more generally perhaps encouraging people to map their local reserve even if it's only by adding notes or mapillary images. I'll keep you posted, but don't expect anything in a hurry- summer holidays stand in the way Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
On 16/08/2018 16:00, David Woolley wrote: I thought that we were heading towards indicating whether the reference was signed, but keeping the reference. The reference is kept. It's being transferred from multiple different keys (listed in my OP) to just one. One of the thing on my to-do list is amalgamate all 'this road is signed' into a single tag. Similar for any relevant Source tag. I'd go further and say that, for the use case given, it is whether the turn, rather than the road, is signed. That's a major change in tagging policy & a completely different point, irrelevant to this thread. Cheers DaveF. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
On 16/08/18 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: How can this issue be resolved without alienating and driving away long time contributors to OSM? I thought that we were heading towards indicating whether the reference was signed, but keeping the reference. I'd go further and say that, for the use case given, it is whether the turn, rather than the road, is signed. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
Isn't there a code of conduct for automated edits which calls for documentation and discussion before the edits are performed? Precisely to avoid this kind of situation. Rgds Brian On 16 August 2018 at 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk < webmas...@killyfole.org.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > I am a bit surprised that an editing war or even a block would even be > considered in this case! > > This user has been editing from 2009 and has 11k edits under their belt. > They > are obviously very passionate and dedicated to OSM and have gone to a lot > of > trouble and spent a lot of time to research the road reference numbers. > > I really do believe you are going to hit a lot more resistance to this > bulk/ > mass edit and are quite frankly going to really annoy a lot of long time > contributors in the process. I also know for a fact if you made this edit > in > N. Ireland, I would be doing the same thing as tms13 is doing. > > How can this issue be resolved without alienating and driving away long > time > contributors to OSM? > > With kind regards, > KDDA > > On Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:24:11 IST Dave F wrote: > > Hi > > > > A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252 > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207 > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425 > > > > As I don't wish to get into an edit war & believe blocking is a last > > resort, would it be possible if a couple of others attempt to help him > > understand the reasons. > > > > Cheers > > DaveF > > > > On 04/08/2018 00:47, Dave F wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' > > > class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in > > > the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
On 16/08/2018 14:45, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: Hi, I am a bit surprised that an editing war or even a block would even be considered in this case! Err?... I clearly said that what I *don't* want. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
Hi, I am a bit surprised that an editing war or even a block would even be considered in this case! This user has been editing from 2009 and has 11k edits under their belt. They are obviously very passionate and dedicated to OSM and have gone to a lot of trouble and spent a lot of time to research the road reference numbers. I really do believe you are going to hit a lot more resistance to this bulk/ mass edit and are quite frankly going to really annoy a lot of long time contributors in the process. I also know for a fact if you made this edit in N. Ireland, I would be doing the same thing as tms13 is doing. How can this issue be resolved without alienating and driving away long time contributors to OSM? With kind regards, KDDA On Thursday, 16 August 2018 14:24:11 IST Dave F wrote: > Hi > > A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252 > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425 > > As I don't wish to get into an edit war & believe blocking is a last > resort, would it be possible if a couple of others attempt to help him > understand the reasons. > > Cheers > DaveF > > On 04/08/2018 00:47, Dave F wrote: > > Hi > > > > After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' > > class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in > > the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
On 16/08/18 14:24, Dave F wrote: A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425 As I don't wish to get into an edit war & believe blocking is a last resort, would it be possible if a couple of others attempt to help him understand the reasons. On what basis is 'highway_authority_ref' being put forward since I don't think the councils who allocate the references for C and U roads are actually the 'highway_authority' but are responsible for those roads NOT designated as the responsibility of the 'highway_authority' ... at least that is my reading of the situation. These references are 'local_authority_ref' and are not unique from one part of the country to another while 'highway_authority_ref' suggests a more central management? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - https://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - https://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.
Hi A contributor has been reverting my changesets over the past few days: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tms13/history#map=7/56.741/-4.252 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61655207 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61623830#map=11/56.4828/-3.2425 As I don't wish to get into an edit war & believe blocking is a last resort, would it be possible if a couple of others attempt to help him understand the reasons. Cheers DaveF On 04/08/2018 00:47, Dave F wrote: Hi After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
