Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

All seems rather fishy to me Martin ;-)

Cheers
Andy

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From: Martin Wynne [mailto:mar...@templot.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2019 13:23
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents


> I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. 
> I guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the 
> boundary between highway and private property is either at the back of the 
> pavement or some distance beyond that (verge) depending on location.
> 
> Cheers
> Andy

Something I was looking at only yesterday. A compulsory purchase order 
clearly extending to the centreline of the highway:

See areas 1E, 1H:

 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/735144/Map_EA_UnlockingRiverSevern_Lincomb_CPO_1Jul18.pdf

Explanation of ownership of areas 1E, 1H:

 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/675691/EA_Severn_Lincomb_CPO2018_LIT10898.PDF

cheers,

Martin.



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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Tom Hughes]

On 14/01/2019 16:31, Andy Allan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:10, Jez Nicholson  wrote:


I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address has 
excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is there 
something I need to change?


It happens to me too. I've opened at ticket on the OWG tracker about
this, since there are steps that we can take to avoid this hassle.

https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/262


No there aren't because our mailman is too old and we can't
upgrade that machine because of the disaster area that is OSQA.

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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Andy Allan]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:10, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
>
> I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address has 
> excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is there 
> something I need to change?

It happens to me too. I've opened at ticket on the OWG tracker about
this, since there are steps that we can take to avoid this hassle.

https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/262

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Martin Wynne]

I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. I 
guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the boundary 
between highway and private property is either at the back of the pavement or 
some distance beyond that (verge) depending on location.

Cheers
Andy


Something I was looking at only yesterday. A compulsory purchase order 
clearly extending to the centreline of the highway:


See areas 1E, 1H:


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/735144/Map_EA_UnlockingRiverSevern_Lincomb_CPO_1Jul18.pdf

Explanation of ownership of areas 1E, 1H:


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/675691/EA_Severn_Lincomb_CPO2018_LIT10898.PDF

cheers,

Martin.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

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From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] 

> Boundaries of properties fronted on roads technically extend to the 
>middle of the road, at least for residential roads, and I have never see 
>those marked.

I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. I 
guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the boundary 
between highway and private property is either at the back of the pavement or 
some distance beyond that (verge) depending on location.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Gregory Marler]

If this is a regular question then it would be good to also explain it on
the wiki
Either https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists or the discussion
page of that.

Gregory.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:24, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Could you give us  at least one of the five hundred links?
>
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:14, Tom Hughes  wrote:
>
>> Not really, it's gmail obeying the insane instructions (via DMARC etc)
>> of other ISPs like Yahoo.
>>
>> See the five hundred previous times when I have explained it in detail.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 14/01/2019 10:03, Tony Shield wrote:
>> > Me Too.  On Sunday night. I assume its Gmail.
>> >
>> > Looking on internet its the GMail server 'bouncing'  traffic, this is
>> > almost certainly a GMail setting which causes the bounce which causes
>> > the OSM mail program to disconnect 'bounced' e-mail addresses.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14/01/2019 09:50, Chris Fleming wrote:
>> >> Yup same here. Although I had assumed that it was because I forward my
>> >> mail to gmail.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:16 Dan S > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It happened to me too today, FWIW.
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> Op ma 14 jan. 2019 om 09:10 schreef Jez Nicholson
>> >> mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>>:
>> >> >
>> >> > I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email
>> >> address has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one
>> >> with problems? Is there something I need to change?
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >  Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Jez Nicholson]

I've added a "citation needed".

AFAIK it may only become apparent when you try to sell your house. It is
one of the checks that is made by a conveyancer. It depends how strongly
they like to apply the rules. One of those things that could slow down a
house purchase.but you are quite right people either don't know or
ignore itor it is no longer a requirement.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 11:06 David Woolley 
wrote:

> On 14/01/2019 09:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > I have summarised this discussion at
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom
> >
>
> "A property owner is legally required to maintain property boundaries
> such as fences. This is intended to minimise disputes. So, being able to
> manually survey a reasonable property extent is feasible."
>
> That is either not true, or the law has fallen into disrepute.  With the
> car parkification of front yards, boundary features in front yards are a
> dying species.  That definitely applies to the private/adopted land
> boundary, but also commonly applies to neighbouring properties.
>
> Boundaries of properties fronted on roads technically extend to the
> middle of the road, at least for residential roads, and I have never see
> those marked.
>
> Private/adopted boundaries are often very difficult to see in shopping
> areas, such that most people think that environmental crime is the
> responsibility of the council when it is actually on the shop forecourt,
> and the responsibility of shopowner.  The boundaries between private
> forecourts of shops can be even more difficult to see there may be a
> change in surface, or a single line of block paving at the adopted land
> boundary, but not between shops.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[David Woolley]

On 14/01/2019 09:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:
I have summarised this discussion at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom




"A property owner is legally required to maintain property boundaries 
such as fences. This is intended to minimise disputes. So, being able to 
manually survey a reasonable property extent is feasible."


That is either not true, or the law has fallen into disrepute.  With the 
car parkification of front yards, boundary features in front yards are a 
dying species.  That definitely applies to the private/adopted land 
boundary, but also commonly applies to neighbouring properties.


Boundaries of properties fronted on roads technically extend to the 
middle of the road, at least for residential roads, and I have never see 
those marked.


Private/adopted boundaries are often very difficult to see in shopping 
areas, such that most people think that environmental crime is the 
responsibility of the council when it is actually on the shop forecourt, 
and the responsibility of shopowner.  The boundaries between private 
forecourts of shops can be even more difficult to see there may be a 
change in surface, or a single line of block paving at the adopted land 
boundary, but not between shops.


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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Brian Prangle]

Could you give us  at least one of the five hundred links?

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:14, Tom Hughes  wrote:

> Not really, it's gmail obeying the insane instructions (via DMARC etc)
> of other ISPs like Yahoo.
>
> See the five hundred previous times when I have explained it in detail.
>
> Tom
>
> On 14/01/2019 10:03, Tony Shield wrote:
> > Me Too.  On Sunday night. I assume its Gmail.
> >
> > Looking on internet its the GMail server 'bouncing'  traffic, this is
> > almost certainly a GMail setting which causes the bounce which causes
> > the OSM mail program to disconnect 'bounced' e-mail addresses.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14/01/2019 09:50, Chris Fleming wrote:
> >> Yup same here. Although I had assumed that it was because I forward my
> >> mail to gmail.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:16 Dan S  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It happened to me too today, FWIW.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Op ma 14 jan. 2019 om 09:10 schreef Jez Nicholson
> >> mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>>:
> >> >
> >> > I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email
> >> address has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one
> >> with problems? Is there something I need to change?
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >  Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Tom Hughes]

Not really, it's gmail obeying the insane instructions (via DMARC etc)
of other ISPs like Yahoo.

See the five hundred previous times when I have explained it in detail.

Tom

On 14/01/2019 10:03, Tony Shield wrote:

Me Too.  On Sunday night. I assume its Gmail.

Looking on internet its the GMail server 'bouncing'  traffic, this is 
almost certainly a GMail setting which causes the bounce which causes 
the OSM mail program to disconnect 'bounced' e-mail addresses.


Cheers

Tony



On 14/01/2019 09:50, Chris Fleming wrote:
Yup same here. Although I had assumed that it was because I forward my 
mail to gmail.


Cheers
Chris

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:16 Dan S > wrote:


It happened to me too today, FWIW.

Best
Dan

Op ma 14 jan. 2019 om 09:10 schreef Jez Nicholson
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>>:
>
> I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email
address has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one
with problems? Is there something I need to change?
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> Regards,
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[Chris Fleming]

Yup same here. Although I had assumed that it was because I forward my mail
to gmail.

Cheers
Chris

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:16 Dan S  wrote:

> It happened to me too today, FWIW.
>
> Best
> Dan
>
> Op ma 14 jan. 2019 om 09:10 schreef Jez Nicholson  >:
> >
> > I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address
> has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is
> there something I need to change?
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Dan S]

It happened to me too today, FWIW.

Best
Dan

Op ma 14 jan. 2019 om 09:10 schreef Jez Nicholson :
>
> I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address has 
> excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is there 
> something I need to change?
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Re: [Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Warin]

On 14/01/19 20:09, Jez Nicholson wrote:
I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email 
address has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with 
problems? Is there something I need to change?




I get the same.

I enquired once and was told it was something to do with google and that 
I should not worry about it.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Jez Nicholson]

I have summarised this discussion at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom

Please feel free to add more facts and references.

Regards,
 Jez

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 09:03 Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I have summarised this discussion at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom
>
> Please feel free to add more facts and references.
>
> Regards,
>  Jez
>
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 12:51 SK53  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:39, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> snip
>>
>>
>>>
>>> because they're more likely to get shot on private land. Hope this is
>>> not so much of a concern in the UK ;)
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
>>>
>>>
>> Only if one is a raptor: https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/
>>
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[Talk-GB] account disabled due to bounces

[Jez Nicholson]

I get the occasional email from Talk-GB telling me that my email address
has excessive bounces. I'm using gmail. Am I the only one with problems? Is
there something I need to change?

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Jez Nicholson]

I have summarised this discussion at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom

Please feel free to add more facts and references.

Regards,
 Jez

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 12:51 SK53  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:39, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>>
>> snip
>
>
>>
>> because they're more likely to get shot on private land. Hope this is
>> not so much of a concern in the UK ;)
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
>>
> Only if one is a raptor: https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/
>
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