Re: [Talk-GB] Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only)

2019-07-20 Thread Mark Goodge



On 20/07/2019 10:36, Tony Shield wrote:

Hi

Starting to get a little confused here - my brother lives in Northern 
Ireland and has a BT postcode which he has given me. Am I allowed to put 
into OSM?


You can add the postcode to any address in OSM, if you know the full 
address from personal knowledge. That includes BT postcodes. What you 
can't do is bulk-import BT postcode centroids from a dataset.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only)

2019-07-20 Thread Tony Shield

Hi

Starting to get a little confused here - my brother lives in Northern 
Ireland and has a BT postcode which he has given me. Am I allowed to put 
into OSM?


TonyS999

On 20/07/2019 08:02, Mark Goodge wrote:



On 19/07/2019 22:36, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote:

On 19/07/2019 20:29, Mark Goodge wrote:


ONS postcode products are also OGL, so can be reused in OSM and 
similar. They're also more useful than Code-Point Open in that they 
also include lookups to a number of other government codes (such as 
local authority GSS codes). It also differentiates between "large 
user" and normal postcodes, and includes an introduction date and, 
where applicable, a termination date for every valid postcode.


That would be very useful indeed but what is the license of these 
extra features? OGL alone doesn't mean anything if they qualify it 
with "data may contain third party IP" or similar.


It's OGL apart from BT postcodes, which are mentioned separately in 
the licence.



Their website says:

"Our postcode products (derived from Code-Point® Open) are subject to 
the Open Government Licence."


and then:

"If you also use the Northern Ireland data (postcodes starting with 
“BT”), you need a separate licence for commercial use direct from 
Land and Property Services."


I understand it as only the part that already exists in Code-Point 
Open is free, extra information may or may not be free, depending if 
it comes from ONS own data or other sources.


The other information is OGL as that's derived from other published 
data that's already OGL. For example, GSS codes and their associated 
names. The licence page is quite clear about that: postcode lookup 
data is OGL apart from BT postcodes. And those are easy enough to 
filter out if necessary.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only)

2019-07-20 Thread Mark Goodge



On 19/07/2019 22:36, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote:

On 19/07/2019 20:29, Mark Goodge wrote:


ONS postcode products are also OGL, so can be reused in OSM and 
similar. They're also more useful than Code-Point Open in that they 
also include lookups to a number of other government codes (such as 
local authority GSS codes). It also differentiates between "large 
user" and normal postcodes, and includes an introduction date and, 
where applicable, a termination date for every valid postcode.


That would be very useful indeed but what is the license of these extra 
features? OGL alone doesn't mean anything if they qualify it with "data 
may contain third party IP" or similar.


It's OGL apart from BT postcodes, which are mentioned separately in the 
licence.



Their website says:

"Our postcode products (derived from Code-Point® Open) are subject to 
the Open Government Licence."


and then:

"If you also use the Northern Ireland data (postcodes starting with 
“BT”), you need a separate licence for commercial use direct from Land 
and Property Services."


I understand it as only the part that already exists in Code-Point Open 
is free, extra information may or may not be free, depending if it comes 
from ONS own data or other sources.


The other information is OGL as that's derived from other published data 
that's already OGL. For example, GSS codes and their associated names. 
The licence page is quite clear about that: postcode lookup data is OGL 
apart from BT postcodes. And those are easy enough to filter out if 
necessary.


Mark

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